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Can a team of rookies win it all?
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:29 pm
by Storm Surge
PG - Paul
SG - Wade
SF - LeBron
PF - Bosh
C - Howard
Bench
Durant
Deron
David Lee
Bynum
Gay
Roy
NO COACH/ASS. COACHES JUST THE TEAM PLAYING BY ITSELF
Coming in as rookies do you thing they could do it
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:38 pm
by FunnyAwesomeGuy
Those aren't all rookies. The problem is just that. You'd have to get all people from 1 draft class. So 03 would have a chance perhaps, 08 might. But likely, no. They just won't have it all together yet.
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:44 pm
by Storm Surge
it's not realistic it's just if this happened.
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:17 pm
by J~Rush
no
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:30 pm
by gswhoops
No, rookies make rookie mistakes and that a few critical plays can win/lose a playoff series.
For example, I'd take the current Spurs over the 03 class as rookies even though the 03 rooks are clearly more talented.
Oberto/Elson
Duncan/Horry
Bowen/Finley
Ginobili/Barry
Parker/Vaughn
vs.
Kaman/Darko
Bosh/West
LeBron/Carmelo/Howard
Wade/Barbosa
Ford/Hinrich/Mo Williams
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:54 pm
by hermes
no rooks couldn't win it all
even if you assembled a team like that, not all rookies
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:05 am
by a-rod
rookies =no experience, so no i don't think so but its impossible.[/b]
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:31 am
by jeremy1215
Anythings possible, but some things are much more likely than others. This isn't very likely.
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:06 am
by bringinhinkie
hermes wrote:no rooks couldn't win it all
even if you assembled a team like that, not all rookies
all-time?
magic
jordan
bird
pettit
chamberlain
robertson
kareem
duncan
shaq
barry
monroe
ewing
etcetcetc
even as rookies a team like that would absolutely dominate, then again not realistic at all but you said "no rooks could win it all"
edit: obviously these guys werent rooks the same time, then again the op's list was guys from diff drafts too
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:53 pm
by gonnadunkonU
They're talented enough to do it but their lack of experience would kill them. They'd be lucky to make the playoffs imo.
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:31 pm
by Last Guardian
2004.....
C - Dwight Howard/Andris Biedrins
PF- Al Jefferson/Emeka Okafor
SF - Josh Smith/Luol Deng/Josh Childress
SG - Andre Iguodala/Kevin Martin/Ben Gordon
PG - Devin Harris/Shaun Livingston
Probably not but might have a chance. Dominant defense and rebounding and certainly overwhelmingly athletic.
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:05 am
by J~Rush
Solid Snake wrote:2004.....
C - Dwight Howard/Andris Biedrins
PF- Al Jefferson/Emeka Okafor
SF - Josh Smith/Luol Deng/Josh Childress
SG - Andre Iguodala/Kevin Martin/Ben Gordon
PG - Devin Harris/Shaun Livingston
Probably not but might have a chance. Dominant defense and rebounding and certainly overwhelmingly athletic.
That team isn't even that dominant today.
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:50 am
by Doctor MJ
I'm not even going to say it's impossible, but I think in general rookies really do have issues with the inner workings of a team. If you look at +/- stats over the years you'll see rookies with big box score stats consistently having mundane +/- numbers.
I think that it's very difficult to win a title even with a phenomenally talented player as a star, and I think it would be far more difficult than that with a bunch of other rookies who've been stars their whole life playing as role players for the first time.
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:01 am
by Last Guardian
J~Rush wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
That team isn't even that dominant today.
lol, today?
Howard is one of the best Centers in the league today averaging 22/15. His front court mate Al Jefferson is averaging 20/12. Josh Smith gets 18/8/4/2/3. Iggy gets 19/5/5. Off the bench with Deng, Gordon, Martin, Okafor, Biedrins?
And you don't think a team like that would dominate TODAY. It would probably be the best rebounding team in history and pretty insane defensively. You're crazy.
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:07 am
by Doctor MJ
Solid Snake wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
lol, today?
Howard is one of the best Centers in the league today averaging 22/15. His front court mate Al Jefferson is averaging 20/12. Josh Smith gets 18/8/4/2/3. Iggy gets 19/5/5. Off the bench with Deng, Gordon, Martin, Okafor, Biedrins?
And you don't think a team like that would dominate TODAY. It would probably be the best rebounding team in history and pretty insane defensively. You're crazy.
Hmm. I think you're not factoring how much players sacrifice when they act as role players on a team, and how much diminishing returns you get with multiple players that have the same skill set. The team would be good, but for example, if you think Howard and Jefferson would both maintain anything close to their current stat levels you're mistaken.
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:22 am
by delux55
^^^^^
They wouldn't maintain the same stats but no team is touching that squad. Spurs, Suns, Mavs, whoever that would be hands down the best team in the NBA
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:19 am
by Doctor MJ
delux55 wrote:^^^^^
They wouldn't maintain the same stats but no team is touching that squad. Spurs, Suns, Mavs, whoever that would be hands down the best team in the NBA
Hmm alright folks, how do y'all see the team working?
Let me give an example to warm us up. Jefferson is an offensive big man, whose much worse on offense than Howard. What do you do with him with Howard on the court? Me? I bench Jefferson and start Okafor, no doubt about it. Two great defensive big men is known as twin towers, two great offensive big men? Well have you seen what Curry and Randolph look like now that they're on the floor together? 2 great offensive big men doesn't make it twice as easy to get the ball to 1 of them by the rim, in fact it can clog the paint more so. The term "diminishing returns" has never been more apt.
Now, maybe you're saying "Okay fine, put Okafor in the starting lineup instead of Jefferson, you yourself said that would be good.", yeah but if you didn't know to do that, consider what other problems you haven't thought of yet. Anyone else notice that of all the players Solid Snake mentioned not one of them is a distributor? Maybe the world's best team can be constructed from this group of players, but it is by no means obvious just from their stats.
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:08 pm
by Hendrix
If a team managed to somehow get like all the picks in the lottery I think so.
PG-Kirk Hinrich-Tj Ford
SG-Dwayne Wade-Carmel Anthony
SF-Lebron James-Carmelo Anthony
PF Chris Bosh-David West
C-Chris Kamen-David West
In there rookie season was probably good enough offensivly, dunno about defensivly.
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:03 pm
by eyejayem
Only if coached by Coach K or Bobby Knight. lol.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:29 am
by bringinhinkie
stockton
jordan
campbell
barkley
hakeem
even as rookies, that starting lineup would sh*t on any team in the nba