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Top 5 Defensive SGs of All Time

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:23 am
by rrravenred
Who are the top 5 lockdowns at the SG position on your all time NBA All-D team?

Some thoughts from me:

Moncrief - All-NBA. All-D. All Class and the undisputed perimeter defender of his era.
Dumars - Defensive Part 1a of the meanest backcourts on the meanest team in history.
Jordan - Strong, quick and had excellent anticipation. Rumours are he could also score a bit.
Drexler - the glide was big, athletic and fast. Rarely overpowered, rarely blown by.
Havlicek - the energiser bunny who would be hounding you for the entire game, down the race and into the lockerroom without being out of breath.
Kobe - Athletically gifted and with the focus and footwork to trouble the best perimeter defenders in the league.


Any more?

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:28 am
by Taiwan Killa
WTF no Jerry West? West is number 3 for sure.

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:31 am
by jeremy1215
I never watched any earlier than the ending of the finals when the Sperms beat the Pissedons, so I don't know anyone other than Kobe on that list, and he don't deserve to be there.

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:33 am
by NO-KG-AI
Drexler? seriously?

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:51 am
by Taiwan Killa
jeremy1215 wrote:I never watched any earlier than the ending of the finals when the Sperms beat the Pissedons, so I don't know anyone other than Kobe on that list, and he don't deserve to be there.


Are you kidding me Kobe was a beast in his defensive prime, heck he still is when he wants to be. This year he's been stepping it up because he's had more offensive help.

Just because Kobe had to carry a team offensively doesn't mean he's a bad defender, MJ was considered a bad defender in his first couple years when he had to do all the scoring.

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:51 am
by G35
Jordan
Kobe
Moncrief
Dumars
Bowen (I think he is better sized at SG than SF)

Honorable mentions would be Eddie Jones, Christie.........

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:53 am
by Taiwan Killa
Bowen isn't an SG.

Also what about Byron Scott?

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:53 am
by jeremy1215
Taiwan Killa wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Are you kidding me Kobe was a beast in his defensive prime, heck he still is when he wants to be. This year he's been stepping it up because he's had more offensive help.

Just because Kobe had to carry a team offensively doesn't mean he's a bad defender, MJ was considered a bad defender in his first couple years when he had to do all the scoring.
Yeah he is okay, but top 5? There have to be 5 other SGs that were great defenders that brought it EVERY night, not just when they feel like it.

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:56 am
by Taiwan Killa
jeremy1215 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Yeah he is okay, but top 5? There have to be 5 other SGs that were great defenders that brought it EVERY night, not just when they feel like it.


Well Jordan didn't bring it on that end EVERY night, why should Kobe be treated differently.

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:58 am
by Warspite
Alvin Robertson????
Cooper
Spreewell

3 players I always liked were Blackman, G Wilkins and the late Bobby Phills. Kendall Gill could have been a great defender.

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:59 am
by ice9
Jordan
Moncrief
Hondo
Dumars
Robertson

are the first to come to mind (no order). Not seeing a reason for Kobe/Drexler to be thrown out there, they definitely aren't.

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:22 am
by Flash is the Future
Taiwan Killa wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Well Jordan didn't bring it on that end EVERY night, why should Kobe be treated differently.

He didn't have to. Because he was MJ, he could play defense in the 90s like Bowen currently plays D.

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:23 am
by WadeKnicks2010
How about Doug Christie in his prime? Larry Hughes? Rip Hamilton? I guess they don't really rank among this league's top league defenders i suppose. Obviously MJ is the greatest defender when he has it going on, but like most other superstars he puts it on when it matters the most and only then. I'd say overall I'd go with a defensive specialist who's sole job is to play lockdown defense all day long, even if their best stuff isn't as great as Jordan or Kobe's best stuff.

I'll go with Moncrief.

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:57 am
by penbeast0
For that matter what about the likes of TR Dunn who managed to start for years with a Ben Wallace level offensive game; okay, seriously, I'd go with
1. Moncrief
2. Michael Cooper
3. Jordan
4. Kobe
5. Dumars (size matters or he'd be number 3 ahead of Jordan)

Dennis Johnson would be next on my list, great defender mainly at SG.
Jerry West could be in there, I only saw him at the end of his career.
Alvin Robertson gambled too much for my taste though he did it well.
Jerry Sloan was like Ron Artest, great against the big, physical guys, but not as quick as some. Havlicek and Bowen were SFs mainly.

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:56 am
by G35
Taiwan Killa wrote:Bowen isn't an SG.

Also what about Byron Scott?



I bet Bowen guards more SG's than he does any other position........

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:31 am
by Phil Jackson
Kobe Bryant was the best and then Jerry West.

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:20 am
by Slava
No love for Byron Scott? :D

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:45 am
by Griever24
Monicrief
Jordan
Cooper
Bryant
Dumars


Denis johnson,Byron Scott and Jerry West are definitely honorable mentions

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:46 am
by tkb
penbeast0 wrote:For that matter what about the likes of TR Dunn who managed to start for years with a Ben Wallace level offensive game; okay, seriously, I'd go with
1. Moncrief
2. Michael Cooper
3. Jordan
4. Kobe
5. Dumars (size matters or he'd be number 3 ahead of Jordan)

Dennis Johnson would be next on my list, great defender mainly at SG.
Jerry West could be in there, I only saw him at the end of his career.
Alvin Robertson gambled too much for my taste though he did it well.
Jerry Sloan was like Ron Artest, great against the big, physical guys, but not as quick as some. Havlicek and Bowen were SFs mainly.


I like that list. I might have Jordan a spot or two higher, but the 2 guys up there were amazing as well.

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:48 am
by tkb
Griever24 wrote:Jordan
Monicrief
Robertson
Bryant
Scott

Denis johnson and Jerry West are definitely honorable mentions


No idea why you have Scott there, but leave off Cooper who was a lot better defensively and played on the same team at the same time. Coop was a DPOY candidate year in and year out. Scott wasn't, and while solid defensively has nothing to do on a top 5 list like this.