Camby better then Yao???

[Storm Surge]

I'd rather have the complete player over a 1 dimensional player a la ben Wallace

Yao's offense>camby's defense>yao's defense>camby's offense

[yunggunz]

I'd rather have the complete player over a 1 dimensional player a la ben Wallace

Yao's offense>camby's defense>yao's defense>camby's offense

Lets not get carried away here. Camby is not Ben Wallace. Camby is not a one dimensional player. He is defensive specialist, to be sure, but he is also one of the best passing big men in the game and outside of Brad Miller you wont find a C who can facilitate an offense better than Camby (and he is extremely good at taking care of the ball). So while he might not be scoring 20 ppg, he is still a very instrumental part of the offense. His 2:1 assist to To ratio is rivaled only by Boris Diaw of all PF's and C's in the league.

[Jemini80]

Yao is the best center in the league
Camby is the 2nd best

Camby is FAR better than Dwight Howard

Camby is the best defensive player in the league by far


The Knicks were ruined when they traded Camby for Mcdyess who in turn became Marbury.

camby is everything you need from a center...defense and rebounding. He also knows his role and doesn't take stupid shots.

I'd be happy with either.

[UDRIH14]

yao is actually carrying that rockets team

[corona]

yao is actually carrying that rockets team

to the 10th seed.

The Rockets are a top 3 defensive team.

Nuggets don't play defense.

nuggets have actually been better than the rockets defensively this season, up until the last 2 weeks.
rank 6th today, might jump up a spot after playing against new jersey's offensive debauchery tonight.

i'm still trying to figure out where this idea came from. denver's never been horrible defensively. they were 9th in defensive efficiency last year, middle of the pack the previous couple years. they have lapses like every team, and they can step it up and shut down teams when there's motivation to do so like few teams in the nba can.

Camby does this every first half of the season. Can he keep from getting hurt and keep his play at this high a level is the million dollar question.

i've never seen him average this many rebounds or this many blocks this far into a season.
and i've never seen him play this many games (only missing one so far) this far into the season.

I remember someone saying that someone said Camby is like a Jason Kidd where the impact on the game is a lot less than the numbers.

i remember that too.
do you believe every statement (that's backed by zero evidence) you read by 'someone' on realgm?
there has to be some reason why he has the best +/- on his team, right?

[NetsForce]

to the 10th seed.

If Camby had to carry a team at best he'd carry them to the 16th seed in the conference.

[OmniDEN]

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Actually, I think Camby might have better numbers but Yao a bigger impact on the game.

I remember someone saying that someone said Camby is like a Jason Kidd where the impact on the game is a lot less than the numbers.

Except the problem with that statement is that the numbers don't even tell you everything. Without Camby, the Nuggets would be a sub-.500 team this season. I don't see how you could even say he doesn't impact the game as "his numbers would imply". Jeez..

[G-Heel]

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to the 10th seed.

Yeah, but look at it this way.. Put Camby on the Rockets, they might be last. The West top 10 teams are so close to each other right now in term of records. Yes, Denver are 4th and Rocket are 10th, but last time I check, Denver only have 2.5 games above the Rocket. If Denver lost one or two games, they might be looking at the 8th or 9th place. So don't use the excuse "Rocket are 10th" if you try to knock on Yao, there are other options.

Yes, Camby deserves to be in the ASG, but not over Yao. I would put him over Amare, who's having a great season, but we all know his numbers are highly inflated due to Steve Nash and the Suns system.

[PimpORL]

Yao's offense is better than Camby's defense? lol No. For the Magic I'd much rather have Camby. At one point the Nuggets of all teams were 2nd in the league in defense because Camby is an impact player. His defensive rating is 94.6. He should definitely be DPOY.

[Patterns]

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Except the problem with that statement is that the numbers don't even tell you everything. Without Camby, the Nuggets would be a sub-.500 team this season. I don't see how you could even say he doesn't impact the game as "his numbers would imply". Jeez..

Camby is posting stats like a top 10 player in the league but he is probably only top 20 or so or less.

He is a great player and I like him but he is not a 25efficiency a game player on the court.

[Alex_De_Large]

barkley is very funny.
obviously yao is the better player, but camby should go as a reserve to the all-star, instead of amare.

[corona]

Camby is posting stats like a top 10 player in the league but he is probably only top 20 or so or less.

10/15/3 with 4 blocks isn't a top 10 (statistical) player in the nba, imho. i'm not sure who said it was.

Yeah, but look at it this way.. Put Camby on the Rockets, they might be last. The West top 10 teams are so close to each other right now in term of records. Yes, Denver are 4th and Rocket are 10th, but last time I check, Denver only have 2.5 games above the Rocket. If Denver lost one or two games, they might be looking at the 8th or 9th place. So don't use the excuse "Rocket are 10th" if you try to knock on Yao, there are other options.

i simply didn't think yao 'leading the rockets' is of great significant to mention considering how they're outside the playoff picture.
particularly because in the past when tmac's gone down they've put up horrendous records.

al jefferson's leading the wolves....amare's not leading the suns. how much weight should that take in a discussion?

[PrinceDiablo]

Yao's offense is better than Camby's defense? lol No. For the Magic I'd much rather have Camby. At one point the Nuggets of all teams were 2nd in the league in defense because Camby is an impact player. His defensive rating is 94.6. He should definitely be DPOY.

There is no team in the entire league that would be better off with Camby then Yao.

NONE.

Phoenix and Golden State would refigure their entire offense to have Yao on their team.

[G-Heel]

Camby is posting stats like a top 10 player in the league but he is probably only top 20 or so or less.

10/15/3 with 4 blocks isn't a top 10 (statistical) player in the nba, imho. i'm not sure who said it was.

Yeah, but look at it this way.. Put Camby on the Rockets, they might be last. The West top 10 teams are so close to each other right now in term of records. Yes, Denver are 4th and Rocket are 10th, but last time I check, Denver only have 2.5 games above the Rocket. If Denver lost one or two games, they might be looking at the 8th or 9th place. So don't use the excuse "Rocket are 10th" if you try to knock on Yao, there are other options.

i simply didn't think yao 'leading the rockets' is of great significant to mention considering how they're outside the playoff picture.
particularly because in the past when tmac's gone down they've put up horrendous records.

al jefferson's leading the wolves....amare's not leading the suns. how much weight should that take in a discussion?

I see what you mean with the first paragraph..

But the bold part... What that got to do with comparing Camby and Yao? Are you saying Wolves = Rockets and Denver = Suns?

Denver is 8th right now, so yea.. Melo, Iverson, and Camby is leading them to 8th place. I like all 3 players, but unless Nuggets start winning again, I doubt coaches will put 3 players from an 8th place team in the ASG.

Bottom point is, some of you guys are not giving Yao enough credit. IMO but I'm sure many others agree, Yao importance to the Rocket is greater than Camby to the Nugget.

[captain_cheapseats]

As others have said Yao is better, and by the end of the year will likely have had the better season, but it's hard to argue against what Camby has done in the 1st half of this year.

[teamny1]

If Yao was on the Nuggets, they'd be the best team in the league easily. Yao+Melo+Iverson+Kenyon+Carter is better than any other starting five. It'd be impossible to guard that team. Yao wouldn't have to battle for position every single time down the floor and use up his energy. Instead he could conserve energy at times and just let Melo or Iverson to do what they have to do and he'd just get into good position for the rebound, which is what Camby does. Every team would love to have a Camby, but every team would kill to have a Yao Ming.

Anyone who thinks their team would be better off with Camby than Yao is out of their mind.

Nash+Amare+Marion+Camby or Nash+Amare+Marion+Yao. Hmm.

Davis+Ellis+Jackson+Biedrins+Camby or Davis+Ellis+Jackson+Biedrins+Yao. Hmm.

Dwight+Rashard+Camby or Dwight+Rashard+Yao. Hmm.

[cluelessfans]

As others have said Yao is better, and by the end of the year will likely have had the better season, but it's hard to argue against what Camby has done in the 1st half of this year.

What has Camby done in 1st half that is hard to argue against ? Won 2 more games with AI and Melo than Yao who played without Mcgrady for 15 games and played a few more road games than Camby while seeing double team every game? Head to head: Yao 24/16 vs Camby's 3.5/13.5.

I know Camby is #1 in blocks, # 2 in rebounds, but he's below 100 in scoring, fg%, ft%, while Yao's #7 in rebounds, #8 in blocks, #11 in scoring, #29 in FG%, #22 in FT%, which is much more completed.

And Houston is the only team in NBA holding opponents to below 50% shooting in the paint due to Yao's intimination, which doesn't show up on stats sheet.

Camby has a good first half, but still can't compare with Yao.

[og15]

I don't understand the people talking about records as if Carmelo and Iverson don't play on Denver, and Yao hasn't had McGrady miss a quarter of their games. It's pretty interesting when someone says "Camby is more valuable to the Nuggets than Yao is to the Rockets". Without Yao, Rafer Alston would take the roll of the Rockets go to guy in about 15 of their games, I don't know how anyone could even say Camby is more valuable and actually believe it.

Also the Nuggets are what, 2.5 games ahead of the Rockets? Someone was mentioning how the Rockets are 10th, well it's not like they're 10th because they have a losing record. Their winning percentage is >50%, and they have been winning lately. I don't see the great accomplishment Camby has with his team being 2.5 games ahead of Yao's when he has two superstars on his team, and Yao's other star (who isn't playing as good as either Denver guy) has missed more than a quarter of their games.

Lastly, someone mentioned the Rockets doing bad in previous seasons without McGrady, okay, well that's all nice. What is their record this season without McGrady? I think it's over .500 and it's not like Camby was playing this good in previous seasons, so why are we talking about Yao in previous seasons as if it makes some sort of point. Also I wonder what the Nuggets record would be without Iverson and Carmelo playing if one is trying to make a comparison to the absence of McGrady on the Rockets.

The difference in defense between Yao and Camby is not even close to the difference in offense between them. Yao is actually a good defensive center, whether it be helping, or man to man. Yea he's not as good as Camby, he can't block as many shots, or rotate as quickly, but he's a good defender, Camby is great. Yao is a very good offensive player, Camby is hardly noticable for the most part on offense.