Bargnani vs. Blatche

[Illuminati]

Both have very similar games and builds, I'd assume both have very high ceilings as well.

Who would you prefer to have on your team? Blatche doesn't get as much PT as Bargnani but when he starts he always amazes.

[kookie_819]

Blatche... besides 3-point shooting, I consider him to be better than Bargs in all parts of the game.

[Boner Champ]

I know Bargnani hasn't had a good season so far, but this is ridiculous.

[RoyceDa59]

^ No it's not, Blatche is very athletic and has lots of room for improvement. That being said, I think Bargnani will become the more effective player. 7fters who can shoot the lights out are few and far between. Bargs is a white european, it will take some time but he will come around.

[tsherkin]

I know Bargnani hasn't had a good season so far, but this is ridiculous.

Not really; Blatche is grabbing an extra board in four fewer minutes per game, averaging 9 boards per 36 against Bargs' 5.7.

So quite apparently, he's a superior rebounder. He's also averaging more than 4x as many blocks per 36 as well (which translates to +1.1 bpg), he's grabbing offensibe boards at a rate that's something like 8% higher...

I mean, he's a better defender, he's a better rebounder, and of course he's converting his FGs at a much higher rate this year, though typically one could expect Bargs to have a relatively low FG% given his penchant for firing away threes and he's shooting terribly this year inside the arc.

It's not something so ridiculous that you can simply discard it; Toronto would be a lot better off with Blatche than Bargs, for example.

[zong]

Bargnani will be the better player, but if Blatche gets no supporting cast in Washington in the future, I can see him putting up 20/10

[yungal07]

Bargnani will be better in the future? LMAO

Bustnani has no game. All he does is hoist jump shots and nothing else. He can't rebound, can't defend, can't handle the ball, is soft as a cupcake, and has no post game despite being 7 feet tall. Even his name sounds soft.

Blatche has been head and shoulders better than that BUM. Defensively and on the boards, Blatche is AEONS better. Blatche can handle the ball too.

Dude was right when he said the comparison isn't close...Blatche is much better than the bust. Bargnani is arguably as bad as Kwame when it comes to being the worst #1 pick of all-time.

[Boner Champ]

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I won't discount a thing you said.

But in a year or two this will, at least IMHO, look pretty silly. You're comparing Bargnani at his all time low.

Given a choice between the two, how many GMs do you think wouldn't go with him?

He has a serious pedigree that you just can't disregard this early in his career.

[positivetension]

Dude was right when he said the comparison isn't close...Blatche is much better than the bust. Bargnani is arguably as bad as Kwame when it comes to being the worst #1 pick of all-time.

#1 Bustnani is a lame name. I'm sure all the creative minds on RealGM can come up with a better nick.

#2 He's 1.5yrs into his pro career. He's already had some pretty impressive games and shown a lot of potential. I think that is what frustrates Raptors fans so much. To put him in the same boat as Kwame is ridiculous. He's gone through one tough slump and now he's a bust?!?! I guess Yi is a bust too.

#3 I'm sure Blatche would love to play in Toronto. His chances of getting shot by Canadian hookers would be greatly reduced compared to the Washington ones.

[tsherkin]

Actually, Bargs' man-on D is reasonably decent; most of what else you said is true, of course. I'd also argue Bargs is worse than Kwame; Kwame's at least a solid offensive rebounder and one of the better post defenders in the league. And he's a better rebounder than Bargs.

[yungal07]

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#1 Bustnani is a lame name. I'm sure all the creative minds on RealGM can come up with a better nick.

It fits him to a tee.

#2 He's 1.5yrs into his pro career. He's already had some pretty impressive games and shown a lot of potential. I think that is what frustrates Raptors fans so much. To put him in the same boat as Kwame is ridiculous. He's gone through one tough slump and now he's a bust?!?! I guess Yi is a bust too.

His flaws are not correctable i.e. softness and allergic to rebounding. It's rare that a player of his softness ever decides to become "tough." I mean c'mon - he shoots 37|% for crying out loud. That is HORRIBLE for a guard, let alone your bigman.

BTW Kwame's second year in the league was better than Bustnani's 2nd year.

#3 I'm sure Blatche would love to play in Toronto. His chances of getting shot by Canadian hookers would be greatly reduced compared to the Washington ones.

Actually he would hate to play in Toronto because your women are ugly and its cold as balls up there.

Just to pile on, Blatche is younger than Bargs too, so the "potential" argument pretty much goes out the door.

[positivetension]

It fits him to a tee.

Yawn.. calling players busts after 1.5yrs is (Please Use More Appropriate Word).

His flaws are not correctable i.e. softness and allergic to rebounding. It's rare that a player of his softness ever decides to become "tough." I mean c'mon - he shoots 37|% for crying out loud. That is HORRIBLE for a guard, let alone your bigman.

He's a work in progress. You realize you're judging his whole career with a 24 game sample? He started the year off on fire but cooled down. He put together a nice string of games after the allstar break last year where he was putting up 15pts 5.6rbs on good %'s so no, I don't think he's a lost cause.

BTW Kwame's second year in the league was better than Bustnani's 2nd year.

7pts 5rbs, not really. Expect Bargs numbers to go up.

Actually he would hate to play in Toronto because your women are ugly and its cold as balls up there.

Just to pile on, Blatche is younger than Bargs too, so the "potential" argument pretty much goes out the door..

Actually, I don't know if we have enough hood rats that would appeal to him and sure Blatche is younger but I'd rather have a player who won't end up dead or in jail.

[yungal07]

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Actually, I don't know if we have enough hood rats that would appeal to him and sure Blatche is younger but I'd rather have a player who won't end up dead or in jail.

This is about the dumbest most ignorant statement ever, but I'm not surprised being that you are Canadian. By the way, 1)the city of DC is much better than that dusttown called Toronto and 2) your city has an abundance of hoodrats. I've been there, and was barely able to hold my food in the entire time.

As for Bustnani's "good" stretch of play - he couldn't even average more than 6 rebounds a game then. That is pathetic. Thanks for proving my point that he's a soft, non-rebounding pansy. He surely belongs in Canada with the rest of your super-soft team. At least Kwame was scoring at an efficient rate while playing good defense. Bargnani stinks it up offensively, defensively, and on the boards. You have the makings of a great player there.

[tsherkin]

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I won't discount a thing you said.

But in a year or two this will, at least IMHO, look pretty silly. You're comparing Bargnani at his all time low.

Given a choice between the two, how many GMs do you think wouldn't go with him?

He has a serious pedigree that you just can't disregard this early in his career.

I think a smart GM would go with Blatche.

Bargnani is obviously a MUCH better shooter than he's showing this year.

A lot of his early struggles were his flirtations with post moves and stuff under the arc and he's been getting better the last couple of games.

But I still don't actually care about his shot; I think he's a waste of a 7-footer, personally, and would much rather have Blatche's rebounding and defense than Bargnani's defense-stretching three-point shot.

I really don't think he's going to be that good overall. I mean, I can envision scenarios where that's not true and he's maybe a borderline All-Star, but ultimately, for Toronto's sake, he's everything they DON'T need in a big man.

[miller31time]

I see great potential for both. Blatche is having a better season and seems to have the skillset that would leave me to believe he can improve upon his game to a greater extent.

With Andray, there really isn't anything he can't do. It's just a matter of getting better in these areas with practice. He's already a good shotter, rebounder, defender, shot blocker, ball handler, etc. With a good work ethic, he could be REAL special.

[tsherkin]

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This is about the dumbest most ignorant statement ever, but I'm not surprised being that you are Canadian.

I'll thank you not to insult the population of our entire country on the basis of one person you've encountered on an internet forum; it's offensive and ignorant, ironically enough.

By the way, 1)the city of DC is much better than that dusttown called Toronto

Toronto is:

a) Not a dusttown

and

b) Has never been the murder capital of the country, unlike DC (though of course New Orleans has taken that mantle the last two years)

and 2) your city has an abundance of hoodrats. I've been there, and was barely able to hold my food in the entire time.

You continue to sink as low as the person attacking you and yours, which is a bad move, since all you do is get YOURSELF into trouble when otherwise he would be the one in trouble.

[HarlemHeat37]

Bargs is the biggest disappointment in the NBA IMO..I expected improvement from him, and he just keeps disappointing me..he's way too robotic..he knows what he's going to do before he receives the ball..he has some of the worst shot selection I've ever seen for a big man..decent defender, but doesn't rebound well..

last year I thought he had tremendous upside and potential, but he doesn't look like he'll be a star in the NBA..I agree with what tsherkin said, that he could be a borderline All-Star, but the #1 pick was pretty much wasted IMO..

the Raptors have looked dangerous when Bargnani plays well, so it's a shame that he can't contribute consistently..the Raptors are better off playing Humphries though, since he's tough, plays good enough D for an undersized big man, and can rebound..

[yungal07]

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You continue to sink as low as the person attacking you and yours, which is a bad move, since all you do is get YOURSELF into trouble when otherwise he would be the one in trouble.

So dissing canada gets you in trouble on realgm? that's amusing...and let's not act like canadians dont hate on U.S. on the raptors board daily. if you feel offended that a person badmouthed your country on a message board, i'd say its time to develop some tougher skin. and i dont mind sinking low - i didn't start with the stupidity but if he wants to go there I'll go there.

by the way, i'm not picking a fight with you. you obviously aren't as ignorant as your raptor fan couterpart, and you're WAYYY more knowledgeable to boot. but i'm going to help an idiot put his foot deeper down his mouth if i have to.

[Donkey McDonkerton]

yungal you're making us Washington fans look bad, enough already.

[BruceO]

making fun of canadians is an american institution

I don't think Yungal is alone in the verbal insults, the guy said a whole bunch of things about hoodrats (as if thats what our dc women are), murder capital, hookers and nonsense about picking bargagni because Blatche will end up dead anyway

ps. My sisters went to school in Toronto, another one is still there. My girlfriend is half canadian. Both places are nice so lets not go into ignorant attacks on either side of the fence. The most mature thing would be acknowledge mistakes on either side and not say anything with hurt intended

By the way canadians have amassed 90% of their population by the border in preparation for an invasion