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My friend (raps4life~) and I were having an argument about Rondo.

He feels that Rondo is a bottom 10 starting PG in the league. I, on the other hand, feel Rondo's great defense makes up for his lack of play making skills, and he is a decent starting PG in the league. I would rank him in the middle of the pack, per haps 11-16.

What is your opinion on this? Where does he rank among starting PG's?

Obviously everyone with a brain would agree with you. Rondo is a great PG, and still is improving. He's definetely in the 11-16 range and I can only see him getting better.

raps4life~ also believes Raymond Felton is a superior PG than Rondo as well.

He also feels Hinrich is having a better season.

Also, he thinks alston + blake + telfair own Rondo, is he just a hater?

not 11-16, probably more like 15-19:

no order, better than him:

nash
kidd
paul
deron
iverson
gilbert
felton
calderon
ford
harris
terry
parker
billups
baron
miller


Thats 15 better than him. ( Im sure i'm missing someone)

I can't name 10 teams he would start on so.. bottom 10 seems right.

He's most def bottom 10.

But come on, wouldnt you rather have Rondo than alston or blake or telfair?

Bottom 10 there are backup players that would start over him if on the a Celtics

He does have potential tho.

brown_kids wrote:But come on, wouldnt you rather have Rondo than alston or blake or telfair?

i didnt want this to be posted becuase i wasnt sure how it would recieved by some fans. im glad some people agree with me.


honestly, i believe that IN BOSTON Alston and Telfair would be better.

Out of the 40 players qualified (as in played enough minutes to count) for the As/TO stat on ESPN, we have:

Jose Calderon, TOR
Brevin Knight, LAC
Anthony Johnson, ATL
Chris Paul, NOR
Steve Blake, POR
Jason Williams, MIA
Chauncey Billups, DET
Chris Duhon, CHI
Sebastian Telfair, MIN
Antonio Daniels, WAS
Anthony Carter, DEN
Steve Nash, PHO
Jeff McInnis, CHA
Baron Davis, GSW
Earl Watson, SEA
T.J. Ford, TOR
Carlos Arroyo, ORL
Jason Kidd, NJN
Deron Williams, UTH
Rajon Rondo, BOS
Raymond Felton, CHA
Jason Terry, DAL
Rafer Alston, HOU
Jamaal Tinsley, IND
Kirk Hinrich, CHI
Derek Fisher, LAL
Mo Williams, MIL
Andre Miller, PHI
Jameer Nelson, ORL
Tony Parker, SAS
Devin Harris, DAL
Sam Cassell, LAC
Jannero Pargo, NOR
Nate Robinson, NYK
Marko Jaric, MIN
Kyle Lowry, MEM
Louis Williams, PHI
Jordan Farmar, LAL
Beno Udrih, SAC
Daniel Gibson, CLE

i would clearly take the bolded players....i think thats 17 Point Guards...and thats not even considering players who could play the point, but aren't listed here that i would likely take ahead of Rondo, like Barbosa, Iverson, Brandon Roy, and maybe a couple others...

so yeah...i'll put him in the bottom 10....

i think having the Big 3 on his team hides his weaknesses and causes him to look better than he may be. Though playing with those players will certainly help him become better over time.

sule wrote:i think having the Big 3 on his team hides his weaknesses and causes him to look better than he may be. Though playing with those players will certainly help him become better over time.

That's not true IMO. Playing with the big 3 hurts his game since he's much more tentative and has less opportunities to penetrate and run...which are his strengths. Instead, Rondo is forced to take more jumpers and even though he is open, it's not one of his strengths. In games where at least 1 one the big 3 was out, Rondo's stats have been:

Points...Assists...Rebounds....Steals
20............2..........7.................1
20............4.........12................0
23............3..........6.................1
15............5..........5.................6
17............8..........4.................1
14............4..........2.................2
13............4..........3.................1

He's not a bad player, but he's still likely in the bottom ten.

1. Chris Paul
2. Steve Nash
3. Deron Williams
4. Baron Davis
5. Gilbert Arenas
6. Chauncey Billups
7. Jason Kidd
8. Tony Parker
9. Jose Calderon
10. TJ Ford
11. Mo Williams
12. Jamaal Tinsley
13. Andre Miller
14. Kirk Hinrich
15. Devin Harris
16. Jason Terry
17. Leandro Barbosa
18. Mike Bibby
19. Monta Ellis
20. Jameer Nelson
21. Raymond Felton

I'd currently take all of those guys over Rondo on my team. So yes bottom 10.

EDIT: Sure you have guys like Ford/Calderon, Ellis, and Terry sprinkled in there but with other guys being arguable, you really can't make a strong case for him being in the top 18.

brown_kids wrote:My friend (raps4life~) and I were having an argument about Rondo.

He feels that Rondo is a bottom 10 starting PG in the league. I, on the other hand, feel Rondo's great defense makes up for his lack of play making skills, and he is a decent starting PG in the league. I would rank him in the middle of the pack, per haps 11-16.

What is your opinion on this? Where does he rank among starting PG's?

His D hasn't been as good as advertised as he has been LIT up by many PG's this season

Rondo is deffinately a bottom 10 PG, but you are right that he is improving and has a bright future.

He's young, and is only going to get better, but at this point he is maybe a bottom ten starter. Ignoring injuries, I'd say he could start on the following teams:

New York (Marbury)
Cleveland (Hughes)
Atlanta (Johnson)
Miami (Williams)
Memphis (Conley?)
Houston (Alston)
Seattle (Watson)
Minnesota (Telfair)
Portland (Blake?)
and Denver if you don't count Iverson as the starting PG

If he's better than these 10-11 starting PGs (and it's questionable with a few of them), that makes him a bottom 11 to bottom 12 PG.

^I'd definitely take Steve Blake over Rondo. & I don't think Rondo has the 3 point range that's needed to start for Houston or Cleveland.

No better than bottom 5. His defense is tremendously overrated and he hasn't got much offensive game.

Still though, will get better in the future but I don't ever see him as any more than an average PG

100% bottom 10