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How good is this team of super role-players?
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:01 pm
by Promezclan
Inspired by the "best role-players" thread, I decided to create a team of super role-players. It's a team of players who don't average starter's minutes (nobody over 33 mpg) and who aren't All-Stars (basically excluding Amare) with the highest PER.
Calderon(32)/Ford(23.9)
Ginobili(31.1)/R. Brewer(28)
Kirilenko(32.6)/Childress(30.2)
R. Wallace(31.6)/D. Lee(27.6)
Bynum(28.8)/Haywood(27.6)
There would have to be some reduction in mpg, but the starter could probably play 30 mpg and the back-up 22 mpg (there will be injuries, so it's more than 48).
If all players have good production per minute, does it matter if no one plays that many minutes or has amazing total production? Can it compete with teams that have individual stars and more explosive scorers?
Assume the team has an average amount of experience playing together, not that they are thrown together for the first time this year. Also assume an average amount of injuries (this may be less than for a normal team, since they aren't playing heavy minutes, and it will certainly be less of a problem.)
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:12 pm
by SuigintouEV
Ginobili is imho, maybe even all-NBA level talent. So i don't think he ought to be on the list
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:13 pm
by hermes
well they have bynum so they will contend
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:13 pm
by 2poor
Sheed's a role player now?
Bynum?
AK47?
I'm not sure the team you constructed can realistically be considered a "role player" team.
edit: that'd be a damn good team though.
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:22 pm
by tsherkin
A playoff team that lacks the offensive punch to go too far unless they get a favorable matchup. Probably second round in either conference though.
Sheed is clearly a roleplayer at this stage of his career... the selection of Manu and Calderon as roleplayers is clearly driven by minutes played and not their roles on their respective teams, however. And AK is another questionable selection give his level of production and the fact that he plays not far from starters' minutes.
A very good team, I think Manu, 'Sheed, AK and the center rotation make up for the weak D out of the PG slot but these guys still don't have the secondary scorer they'd need to really put their foot down in the playoffs and get deep.
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:25 pm
by Blazing_royale
this teams got too much D and not enuff the O
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:43 pm
by Patterns
They'd be a playoff team in the West but they'd get knocked out in the first round.
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:52 pm
by Promezclan
Blazing_royale wrote:this teams got too much D and not enuff the O
That would be their obvious weakness, but maybe it's not so clear. If you assume the starters play 30 minutes and the back-ups play 18, they would be on pace for:
Calderon 12.13
Ford 9.11
Ginobili 19.45
Brewer 7.65
Kirilenko 10.86
Childress 7.27
Wallace 12.23
Lee 6.52
Bynum 13.65
Haywood 7.00
That would be a total of 105.88 ppg, which is good for 5th in the league. They could get even higher if they played people like Ginobili more minutes.
On the one hand, you might say that they couldn't keep up that pace without a star to create and draw attention, but on the other hand, most of these guys are tremendously efficient scorers and could probably afford to score more.
In addition, the starters are very good passers and they have a strong post presence and shooters to spread the floor, so ball movement would be good and one-on-one creation wouldn't be as crucial (not that Ginobili can't).
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:33 pm
by penbeast0
I'd take my shot with that crew and say 2nd in East//5th best in West though teams like Detroit have shown that talent isn't enough without cohesiveness.
As for the second scorer; I'd expect Kirilenko to step up to that role and both he and Ginobli would be in the 15-20 range with great bench scoring.
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:34 pm
by MagicFan3
Playoffs in the East, but probably only a 5th-6th seed.
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:50 am
by Hard2dhole
2-3 seed in the east
7-10th in the west.
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:41 am
by dontel
a player that scored 46 points (manu) in a game shouldnt be named as a super role player