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taking in consideration with age, potential, development, work ethic and their intangibles who you got?

It's pretty obvious that Varejao is better right now. Noah will win the poll because people associate Varejao with flopping.

Varejao any day for me. Noah seems to be a whiner and a very hard person to like.

Varejao is the better player although I think Noah has more talent.

Blazing_royale wrote:taking in consideration with age, potential, development, work ethic and their intangibles who you got?

Taking all that into consideration, Noah, hands down...

Noah will be much better than Varejao when its all said and done... the flopping for Sideshow Bob is a plus though..

Noah's just got a greater sense for the game defensively... Varejao gets clumsy and runs over. Not to mention Noah can handle and pass if need be.

Who's got the better hair?

To imply that Varejao can't handle or pass just gives away the fact that you haven't watched him play. I think his flopping is a bit overstated however. Varejao is just quick enough to get good position and frankly he plays very good defense with his quickness. That is at least partially why the Cavs defense was off early in the season. He's got tremendous defensive versatility.

TheOUTLAW wrote:To imply that Varejao can't handle or pass just gives away the fact that you haven't watched him play. I think his flopping is a bit overstated however. Varejao is just quick enough to get good position and frankly he plays very good defense with his quickness. That is at least partially why the Cavs defense was off early in the season. He's got tremendous defensive versatility.

I agree, he's one of the few people that can stay in front of Bosh

they both piss me off, but i'd go with noah

Noah is a leader and has far more potential.

Varejao any day for me. Noah seems to be a whiner and a very hard person to like.

And Varejao isn't?

Anyway, with all things considered, I take Joakim very easily.

Before I compare the two, remember Joakim just turned 23, while Anderson is 25 years old.

Right now - Joakim is a better player. Offensively both players don't have a whole lot to work with, but Joakim get's the nod easily. Why? He's a very good passer for a big and opens up the court with his vision and smarts. He's a great option on the fast break because not only can he catch and finish, he can also take a couple dribbles tofind a better shot or feed a teammate for an easy bucket. He always seems to be in the right place or making the right pass, he's very dependable down there. He's also a suprisingly good ballhandler. Joakim also works the pick and roll quite well, but he needs to work on setting better pick and holding off from rolling to the hoop to early. However, once he get's rolling, he's going straight to the rim. He's a pretty good finisher right now and a fantastic offensive rebounder, more often than not he'll battle for an offensive board, come up with it and get fouled.

His free throw shooting form is odd and his percentage doesn't look great, but he's had very few chances to get into a rythm at the freethrow line due to being yanked by uber-stupid coach Jim Boylan. When he has had a chance to get into a rythm and play good minutes, he's been a relatively good free throw shooter - shooting a solid 72% from the line in games where he has played at least 20 minutes. He's also showed that he makes his freethrows during crunch time, when they matter most.

Niether players have much back to the basket game to speak of, but considering Joakim is a bit taller, longer, has shown signs of nice footwork and hookshots and is two and a half years younger, I would give him the nod on potential pretty easily.

Defensively is where both players make a living. Both Joakim and Anderson are very versatile defensively and are great guys to have guarding the pick and roll because they can stick with the offensive player on the switch or fall back and guard the screener on the roll. Both are very quick for bigmen and possess nice athleticism, but I would give Joakim a slight edge athletically. Joakim is probably the better shotblocker, his timing is fantastic and he does a great job nulifying possibel second chance points below the basket on offensive rebounds. He's so long and quick, he's a hard player to score on.

Defensive footwork I would give the nod to Varejao. Joakim will sometimes bite on fakes and get foul calls or get beaten on nifty spin moves down low. Lucky the Bulls have Tyrus Thomas patrolling the lane so that isn't much of a problem. Varejao is very good at getting under players skin, as is Joakim. However, Joakim often picks up fouls, whilst Varejao scrappy defence ends up as a positive for the Cav's more often than not with his ability to draw fouls from offensive players.

When it comes to rebounding, both are very valuable and are very talented in this aspect. Joakim is very good on the offensive boards and has the edge over Varejao in this aspect. His ability to fight through players attempting to box him out is very good, and he has recently started to use the backtap - a la Ben Wallace - to keep the ball alive for his teammates. For a jumpshooting team like the Bulls, Joakim's offensive rebounding ability is a huge plus. Defensively I'd say Varejao has the upperhand. Joakim sometimes leaks out for the break, but I'd say the main reason he doesn't grab as many defensively boards as Varejao is because he often plays next to Tyrus Thomas - a fantastic defensive rebounder - and the Bulls overall just have better rebounders.

So with that, I take Joakim. Offensively he's already better and has potential to be much better with the improvement of post moves and footwork. Defensively it's pretty even and could go either way, but Joakim seems to have better timing and senses, and once again, he's younger and is in his first year of his NBA career.

Joakim it is. Better already and younger. A no brainer.

Noah now and in the future, though I don't think either will be much better than they are right now.

Honestly, I think they're the same player.

Noah I trust with the ball, handling it and making good decisions. Not w/Varejao. I have seen far too many stupid plays, avoidable mistakes... Noah never did that in college and I haven't seen it much in the NBA either.

Flite wrote:

Varejao any day for me. Noah seems to be a whiner and a very hard person to like.

And Varejao isn't?

One player has his teammates voting for him to be suspended and the other is well liked by all of his teammates. Thing about what you say. Varejao is more valuable now, and seeing that he's only two years older than Noah, he always will be.

Varejao any day.

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One player has his teammates voting for him to be suspended and the other is well liked by all of his teammates. Thing about what you say. Varejao is more valuable now, and seeing that he's only two years older than Noah, he always will be.

Varejao any day.

If you knew anything about the situation, you would know the veterans voted to suspend him because they didn't like how a rookie was stepping up to be a leader. Noah is better now, and always will be. Noah would put up a double-double if he had Lebron on his team. Noah is far more valuable on both sides of the ball, and if he can add weight will be an aboe average F/C.

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If you knew anything about the situation, you would know the veterans voted to suspend him because they didn't like how a rookie was stepping up to be a leader. Noah is better now, and always will be. Noah would put up a double-double if he had Lebron on his team. Noah is far more valuable on both sides of the ball, and if he can add weight will be an aboe average F/C.

You just lost all credibility.

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You just lost all credibility.

because your opinion matters? You got shown why you are wrong and cannot accept that your opinion is wrong. It isn't my problem that you cannot objectively look at the situation and pick the right answer.

Actually watch the Bulls since he has been starting and realize he is younger than Verajao and doesn't play next to LBJ to get wide open layups.

Flite wrote:

Varejao any day for me. Noah seems to be a whiner and a very hard person to like.

And Varejao isn't?

Anyway, with all things considered, I take Joakim very easily.

Before I compare the two, remember Joakim just turned 23, while Anderson is 25 years old.

Right now - Joakim is a better player. Offensively both players don't have a whole lot to work with, but Joakim get's the nod easily. Why? He's a very good passer for a big and opens up the court with his vision and smarts. He's a great option on the fast break because not only can he catch and finish, he can also take a couple dribbles tofind a better shot or feed a teammate for an easy bucket. He always seems to be in the right place or making the right pass, he's very dependable down there. He's also a suprisingly good ballhandler. Joakim also works the pick and roll quite well, but he needs to work on setting better pick and holding off from rolling to the hoop to early. However, once he get's rolling, he's going straight to the rim. He's a pretty good finisher right now and a fantastic offensive rebounder, more often than not he'll battle for an offensive board, come up with it and get fouled.

His free throw shooting form is odd and his percentage doesn't look great, but he's had very few chances to get into a rythm at the freethrow line due to being yanked by uber-stupid coach Jim Boylan. When he has had a chance to get into a rythm and play good minutes, he's been a relatively good free throw shooter - shooting a solid 72% from the line in games where he has played at least 20 minutes. He's also showed that he makes his freethrows during crunch time, when they matter most.

Niether players have much back to the basket game to speak of, but considering Joakim is a bit taller, longer, has shown signs of nice footwork and hookshots and is two and a half years younger, I would give him the nod on potential pretty easily.

Defensively is where both players make a living. Both Joakim and Anderson are very versatile defensively and are great guys to have guarding the pick and roll because they can stick with the offensive player on the switch or fall back and guard the screener on the roll. Both are very quick for bigmen and possess nice athleticism, but I would give Joakim a slight edge athletically. Joakim is probably the better shotblocker, his timing is fantastic and he does a great job nulifying possibel second chance points below the basket on offensive rebounds. He's so long and quick, he's a hard player to score on.

Defensive footwork I would give the nod to Varejao. Joakim will sometimes bite on fakes and get foul calls or get beaten on nifty spin moves down low. Lucky the Bulls have Tyrus Thomas patrolling the lane so that isn't much of a problem. Varejao is very good at getting under players skin, as is Joakim. However, Joakim often picks up fouls, whilst Varejao scrappy defence ends up as a positive for the Cav's more often than not with his ability to draw fouls from offensive players.

When it comes to rebounding, both are very valuable and are very talented in this aspect. Joakim is very good on the offensive boards and has the edge over Varejao in this aspect. His ability to fight through players attempting to box him out is very good, and he has recently started to use the backtap - a la Ben Wallace - to keep the ball alive for his teammates. For a jumpshooting team like the Bulls, Joakim's offensive rebounding ability is a huge plus. Defensively I'd say Varejao has the upperhand. Joakim sometimes leaks out for the break, but I'd say the main reason he doesn't grab as many defensively boards as Varejao is because he often plays next to Tyrus Thomas - a fantastic defensive rebounder - and the Bulls overall just have better rebounders.

So with that, I take Joakim. Offensively he's already better and has potential to be much better with the improvement of post moves and footwork. Defensively it's pretty even and could go either way, but Joakim seems to have better timing and senses, and once again, he's younger and is in his first year of his NBA career.

Joakim it is. Better already and younger. A no brainer.

Excellent post. A pure beauty. I agree with everything you stated.

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You just lost all credibility.

Other way around if you ask me. J-80 is absolutely right. It was Adrian Griffin & Ben Wallace who led the charge. Part of it was Joakim standing up to Ben Wallace and calling him out for not playing better. We all applauded this because Joakim was right about it. Ben took more possesions off than any center I've seen. It was awful.

Re-search my good man.