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Jose Calderon Vs Andre Miller

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:48 pm
by Hussien Fatal
whos the better point guard right now?

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:55 pm
by Hard2dhole
Miller (that's gonna tick off some Raptor fans)

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:22 pm
by Serpo
I'm taking Miller too , he's the second best PG in the east since Kidd left.

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:24 pm
by big123
Miller

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:25 pm
by T-Spot
Going on how they have played in the last 15 games, hands down Miller. Calderon has not been good since Bosh left [and had been struggling slightly ever since TJ Ford came back].

Miller has been the unsung hero of Philly. He can score if they need buckets and can facilitate the likes of Iggy, Sam-Dam, Green and such. He is also an oddity as a point guard as he can't shoot the 3-ball but gets to the line a lot.

As for who as been better all season, I'd say Calderon. When Ford went out, it was up to Calderon to step up and he did. He posted a 15 and 10 average as a starter [that has dropped to 13.4 and 9.5, because of his struggles with Bosh out of the line up and having to share mins with TJ Ford.] and even when he was backing Ford up earlier this season [an even back to last season] he was easily one of the best off the pine.

The biggest edge Andre has over Calderon, is that he can play much better D, and Calderon's defensive deficiencies are even more glaring without Bosh as no one can help on his man.

Calderon is a better shooter, play-maker, and is efficient as hell, but is going through a tough streak [with Bosh out he has had 3 good games, 2 fair games, and 5 bad/below average games]

Andre is the better scorer, defender, and can get to the rim/line better and is going through a nice streak. Since February, he has been impressive.

Final; Andre Miller for now, but Calderon for the season.

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:11 pm
by SOUL
15 games ago = Calderon

Right now = Miller, he has D, size, and he can dish it/shoot

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:17 pm
by WesWesley
I gotta admit as a raptors fan, Calderon is a bit of fools gold.

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:16 pm
by Mr. Perfect
Raps fan here, about a month ago I would have taken Calderon, but now it's Andre Miller easily. He's the 2nd best PG in the East right now.

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:25 pm
by a-rod
Jose Calderon, i like his game, even though He's a little bit passive offensively.

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:11 pm
by Doe_Doe
Andre Miller is the forgotten PG.

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:15 pm
by Kabookalu
Miller has been phenomenal with the Sixers, having them play a team game when people thought the Sixers were way too broken down offensively when Iverson was still on the roster.

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:46 pm
by ponder276
Another Raps fan, I had Miller slightly above Calderon even when Calderon was playing very well. Calderon is a great distributer who sees the game very well (on the offensive end), but as we all know, he's got some serious holes in his game when it comes to slashing ability and defense.

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:21 am
by Hussien Fatal
to be honest with you when i made this thread i didnt expect to many people to pick andre over jose, but guess this current sixers run has done him a lot of justice.

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:59 am
by Franchise_411
Miller ...

Calderon is the biggest fraud in the history of the league ...

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:57 am
by Hussien Fatal
^^^ wow thats a bold statement care to ellaborate?

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:24 am
by ITK9
calderon is a better 3pt shooter.miller is better at anything else.

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:35 pm
by Franchise_411
Hussien Fatal wrote:^^^ wow thats a bold statement care to ellaborate?


Where do you want me to start?

-He can't guard his own shadow ... exposed on a daily basis on the defensive end ... something which was acknowledged by Raptors GM Brian Colangelo ... Worst lateral quicks of any PG in the league ...
-His game is only augmented because of the style offense the Raptors run ... his assists are manufactured off of what the Raptors call the "swing swing pass", meaning swing the ball around the perimeter and find the open man, they're not created off the dribble drive, something which Jose rarely does ... his points usually come off of a screen-and-roll with Bosh, he needs a screen from Bosh for majority of his scoring opportunities, wide-open jumpers, nothing complicated about that ...
-He's not a creator in broken play scenarios, in Bosh's absense he's really been exploited, he hasn't exactly carried this team on his back ...
-When people bring up Jose's name, the first and only thing they bring up are his stats ... AST/TO Ratio is the most over-rated stat in the league, next to Hollinger's PER ... So what if you don't turn the ball over ... Didn't Muggsy Bogues lead the league in that stat, but did that make him great? ... All the great players in the league turn the ball over ... that's what makes them great, because they take and are not afraid to take risks ...
-His stats only went up this season, because he got extended playing time, 40+ minutes in the absense of their starting PG ...

I say Fraud, because of what people expect, perceive him to be, especially up in Toronto ... If he's supposedly the next Nash, that means he'll be a two-time MVP, and NBA All-Star, and future Hall of Famer ... people in Toronto even mention him among the elite lead guards in the NBA, ie. Chris Paul, Deron Williams ... He doesn't come close on all counts ... He's managed to fool the Toronto public, Toronto media and even some in the U.S. media, but he hasn't fooled me one bit ...

Is there any more you need, because I could write an essay on this, LMFAO ...

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:53 pm
by ITK9
^i never thought that a person can read my mine that well!

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:12 pm
by hermes
miller

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:14 pm
by A.J.
andre miller...im not buying the calderon hype (sorry raptors fans)