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Rafer Alston vs. TJ
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:32 pm
by Taiyab_K
Anyone think that they'd rather have Rafer Alston at the PG spot. Seeing TJ play, he looks very lax at times, he is kind of selfish. Sure, Rafer can be a head-case but he has a tremendous passion for the game, his performance is a key reason why Houston is doing quite well. I don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't mind seeing Alston over TJ, heck I bet he wouldn't even get caught up in the whole starting PG fiasco.
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:33 pm
by zong
i like how the bandwagon jumpers start showing up after Rafer starts doing well
fairweather fans these days, its hilarious
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:37 pm
by Taiyab_K
zong wrote:i like how the bandwagon jumpers start showing up after Rafer starts doing well
fairweather fans these days, its hilarious
Yes, mmhmm.
Looking back at Alston, he has been a 12 and 6 guy (more or less) his entire career. I don't see how I am a bandwagon jumper, TJ and Alston go hand-in-hand in my opinion. You think I started watching basketball yesterday?
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:39 pm
by Northern_Raptor
What an absolute joke. I didn't even read the whole post. Keep hating.
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:39 pm
by Mak
Where was this thread before TJ was taken out by Horford?
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:13 pm
by One of Shemps Kids
Ummm...No?
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:19 pm
by j-ragg
I dislike TJ and the Raps as much as the rest of RealGM but ... wtf?
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:31 pm
by Texas Longhorns
Come on, Rafer isn't that good. T.J. - H-town represent!
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:33 pm
by tsherkin
Alston is as inconsistent as they come and always has been.
He is a nice player; obviously a skilled ball-handler and a solid playmaker, he's not as good a shooter as he thinks he is and that can sometimes be a problem.
Him versus TJ? I think Alston's a bit better as a defender but isn't nearly as good a dribble penetrator because he simply doesn't have the shot to overcome the fact that he isn't as athletic as Ford.
That said, I wouldn't mind having Rafer on our squad instead of TJ at this point, especially given the presence of Calderon (and this is, of course, a 180-degree reversal of my opinion from earlier this season because Jose has completely fed me a steady diet of crow).
Alston was pretty solid for us when he was a Raptor and he's had his success in various ways during his different stops.
I think Ford is more talented than he and perhaps the better choice if you're looking for a starter but Alston has some traits that make him a more attractive choice in some situations.
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:46 pm
by giordunk
TJ Ford.
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:11 pm
by ponder276
Right now, Rafer is playing as well as he can play, and TJ is playing about as poorly as he can play, so Rafer has a pretty clear edge. However, when both are playing at their peak, it's TJ very, very easily.
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:40 pm
by Nebroc
TJ
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:48 pm
by Schad
ponder276 wrote:Right now, Rafer is playing as well as he can play, and TJ is playing about as poorly as he can play, so Rafer has a pretty clear edge. However, when both are playing at their peak, it's TJ very, very easily.
Even mediocre TJ is better than good Rafer (over a period of a few games, not Skip's occasional 30 point blow-up). Statistically, there's no comparison...and from watching both on the Raptors, Rafer wins the 'most likely to give me thoughts of holding my head in a pot of scalding water' comparison by about a 3:1 ratio.
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:27 pm
by Taiyab_K
ponder276 wrote:Right now, Rafer is playing as well as he can play, and TJ is playing about as poorly as he can play, so Rafer has a pretty clear edge. However, when both are playing at their peak, it's TJ very, very easily.
Compare the stats of the two for the past 3-4 years, nearly identical.
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:26 pm
by Schad
Taiyab_K wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Compare the stats of the two for the past 3-4 years, nearly identical.
Really?
Per-36:
'05/'06:
Alston - 11.3 points, 6.3 assists, 3.8 rebounds,
2.3 turnovers, .475 TS%,
2.7:1 ast/TO ratio.
Ford -
12.4 points, 6.7 assists, 4.4 rebounds, 3.1 turnovers,
.489 TS%, 2.2:1 ast/TO ratio.
'06/'07:
Alston - 13.3 points, 5.4 assists, 3.4 rebounds,
2.1 turnovers, .496 TS%, 2.6:1 ast/TO ratio.
Ford -
16.8 points, 9.5 assists, 3.8 rebounds, 3.7 turnovers,
.508 TS%, 2.6:1 ast/TO ratio.
'07/'08:
Alston - 13.6 points, 5.9 assists,
3.7 rebounds, 2.2 turnovers, .502 TS%, 2.6:1 ast/TO ratio.
Ford -
19.1 points, 9.1 assists, 3.5 rebounds, 3.5 turnovers,
.510 TS%,, 2.6:1 ast/TO ratio.
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:47 pm
by The Notic
^lol. nice
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:00 pm
by carrottop12
Rafer has been playing way over his head the past few months, when he cools off, so will the Rockets.
TJ just came back from a possible career ending injury.
And the truth is Vujacic is better then both of them as seen in the Rockets game against the Lakers.
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:17 pm
by hermes
Re: Rafer Alston vs. TJ
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:51 pm
by PharoaheMonch
Taiyab_K wrote:Anyone think that they'd rather have Rafer Alston at the PG spot. Seeing TJ play, he looks very lax at times, he is kind of selfish. Sure, Rafer can be a head-case but he has a tremendous passion for the game, his performance is a key reason why Houston is doing quite well. I don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't mind seeing Alston over TJ, heck I bet he wouldn't even get caught up in the whole starting PG fiasco.
Yes, let's make a post about this when TJ is playing some of the worst basketball in his career after coming back from an injury..(not to mention having a different role coming off of the bench) and Alston is playing the best he has ever played.
Yes, perfect time to make a comparison. Is this a joke?