Alternate Universe in NJ

SteveMorrison15 · Post #1 » by **SteveMorrison15** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:29 pm

Ok so check it out.

I was playing NBA Live 2004 ( don't ask. I like the GP ). So during my Dynasty Season The New Jersey Nets traded to get Ray Allen. Thus making their a NEW 3-Headed-Monster

SF- R. Jefferson
SG- R. Allen
PG- J. Kidd

Then it got me wondering if that line-up could work better than the Original Jefferson-Carter-Kidd. Instead of just posting this on the NJ forum, I think I could get a bigger response on GB.

So could this work better than the Original?
Explain.

Or suggest another Shooting Guard to play along side Jefferson and Kidd

FlightNo.23 · Post #2 » by **FlightNo.23** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:32 pm

I liked RJ a few years ago better. You know, when he would rebound, hustle, defend, even create shots for others.

Post #3 » by **gswhoops** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:34 pm

I made an NBA Live 2008 Warriors team with Chris Paul, LeBron James and Dwight Howard...think they'd be better than the current Warriors?

etopn23 · Post #4 » by **etopn23** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:48 pm

Carter was considerably better than Allen during the big 3 era.

DarkoMilicic · Post #5 » by **DarkoMilicic** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:03 pm

etopn23 wrote:Carter was considerably better than Allen during the big 3 era.

Really? The lazy, uninspired "baller" was considerably, let alone better, than a guy who gave it his all AT ALL TIMES?

NetsNash13 · Post #6 » by **NetsNash13** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:31 pm

FlightNo.23 wrote:I liked RJ a few years ago better. You know, when he would rebound, hustle, defend, even create shots for others.

Yea, where'd that guy go?

Pats19andO · Post #7 » by **Pats19andO** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:20 am

Yes, Allen spreads the floor much better than Carter. He also is a better defender and leader.

etopn23 · Post #8 » by **etopn23** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:12 am

DarkoMilicic wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Really? The lazy, uninspired "baller" was considerably, let alone better, than a guy who gave it his all AT ALL TIMES?

Find a New Jersey Net fan who would call Carter lazy and uninspired during the past 3 years. He's been among the best swingmen in the league (THE best his first year in NJ) - yet people (who have a personal vendetta against Carter) seek to bestow titles on him HE DOES NOT DESERVE during that time period.

He stayed on the court, while he was on the court he was one of the best/the best on it. How in the world was Ray Allen a better player than Carter at any point in the past 3 years? Carter was a better scorer, playmaker, rebounder, defender, he took care of the ball better... the list just goes on.

Jemini80 · Post #9 » by **Jemini80** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:15 am

No, Carter is a playmaker, and was never lazy on the Nets. He still gets too much **** for what he did in Toronto. He didn't want to be there, if you guys had a job you hated, and wanted to get transfered, would you give it everything you had? Or would you do everything possible to screw your **** supervisor (the coach) and get out of there.

the nets would have been better if their big 3 was

PG Kidd
SG Carter
SF- anyone who can defend and still hit an outside shot

and honestly who the hell thinks Ray Allen is a better defender than Carter? Atleast Carter has size and athleticism, Ray Allen is a horrible defender, and KG/Perkins are covering for him.

oh this would have been an insane big 3

PG Kidd
SG Carter
SF- Pierce

considering Pierce was almost traded that summer for a draft pick i could see him being traded to the nets for Jefferson, expirings, and picks.

Serpo · Post #10 » by **Serpo** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:37 am

The main reason the big 3 wasn't successful is the lack of bigmen .

The year Krstic had his breakout year they where the best . Sadly last year the blew out his knee and hasn't recovered before the Kidd has been traded .

HarlemHeat37 · Post #11 » by **HarlemHeat37** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:38 am

hell no..Ray Allen is 1-D, while Carter is one of the best all-around players in the NBA..

this year has been the only off-year Carter has had as a Net, and Allen hasn't looked great himself..Carter carried the Nets for the entire year in his 1st year while RJ was out..

Mad Balla 15 · Post #12 » by **Mad Balla 15** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:46 am

etopn23 is definitely correct when he says Ray Allen wasn't better than Vince in any of his 3 years in NJ. Also, anyone who thinks Vince's play has been lazy and lackluster with the Nets is truly a hater.

Vince's 3 years with NJ:

Year 1: 28 PPG / 6 RPG / 5 APG
Year 2: 24 PPG / 6 RPG / 4 APG
Year 3: 25 PPG / 6 RPG / 6 APG

Those numbers put him right there just below the top 3 SG's in the league: Kobe, Wade and T-Mac. Also some people will probably say that he's all numbers and no results. Well first of all think about the fact that his first year in NJ he carried a team with players like Jacque Vaughn, Brian Scalabrine, Jabari Smith, Ron Mercer, Rodney Buford, Jason Collins etc.. to the playoffs after it looked like they were headed straight to the lottery. Than his 2nd year the Nets won 49 games. Last year RJ got injured again for a lot of the season and he carried his team to the 6th seed.

Jemini80 · Post #13 » by **Jemini80** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:38 am

Ray Allen has been living off 3 years where he was great (99-00, 00-01, 01-02), probably the most overrated player in the league. I mean for an "elite" shooter, his shooting numbers aren't too elite.

If the Celtics fall the blame will go on KG or Pierce, when they have played amazing, out of this world ball this year, and their other "superstar" hasn't been super in 6 years. Freaking Mike Dunleavy is a better shooter than him now.

SteveMorrison15 · Post #14 » by **SteveMorrison15** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:55 pm

No Why did they move this to the Player Comparison board? I needed more insight to my question. That's why I put it on GD. No one goes on player comparison board. Not even the people who post topics on PC board go to PC board. Awww.

Good insight though guys. I never looked at the Defense of the 3-Headed -Monster.

But is there a person who could fit it better than Ray Allen or Vince Carter????

Jemini80 · Post #15 » by **Jemini80** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:11 pm

Paul Pierce

PrinceDiablo · Post #16 » by **PrinceDiablo** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:10 am

Jemini80 wrote:Ray Allen has been living off 3 years where he was great (99-00, 00-01, 01-02), probably the most overrated player in the league. I mean for an "elite" shooter, his shooting numbers aren't too elite.

If the Celtics fall the blame will go on KG or Pierce, when they have played amazing, out of this world ball this year, and their other "superstar" hasn't been super in 6 years. Freaking Mike Dunleavy is a better shooter than him now.

Maybe it's because every three-ball Ray Allen takes is tightly contested, as opposed to people like Dunleavy, Kapono, etc.

Just maybe.

The_Believer · Post #17 » by **The_Believer** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:18 am

Carter >Ray

hermes · Post #18 » by **hermes** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:10 pm

gswhoops wrote:I made an NBA Live 2008 Warriors team with Chris Paul, LeBron James and Dwight Howard...think they'd be better than the current Warriors?

yes?