Jose Calderon vs. TJ Ford vs. Devin Harris.

NetsForce · Post #1 » by **NetsForce** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:06 pm

Rank the players 1-3, from best to worst.

ajmal · Post #2 » by **ajmal** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:16 pm

1a) Ford
1b) Harris
2) Calderon

Calderons defense is non existing. If he improves his D, he would probably be number 1. For the future it looks like Harris, Ford, Calderon.

CB4_Toronto_Raptors · Post #3 » by **CB4_Toronto_Raptors** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:47 pm

1. Calderon

2/3. Harris
3/2. Ford

b-ball forever · Post #4 » by **b-ball forever** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:08 pm

Calderon
Harris
Ford

Derekman · Post #5 » by **Derekman** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:10 pm

Ford
Harris
Calderon.

Remember, this isn't value in a trade. This is how good they are.

Future

Ford/Harris
Harris/Ford

Calderon

T-Spot · Post #6 » by **T-Spot** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:29 pm

I feel Calderon reign's supreme here.

Everyone said he was in a slump when Bosh was injured. I mean, when you can shoot 48% FG and 40% 3FG on 10 PPG and 8 APG in 28 MPG without the Franchise, and people call it a big slump, you must be doing something right.

Seriously, if you take those numbers and plug them into the 35 MPG Calderon played when Ford was out, you would get decreases scoring and shooting %'s but the same in APG.

During his "big slump without Bosh" per 35 stats.

PPG: 13
APG: 10
TO:2.4
FG: 48%
3FG: 40%

Sure, its a decrease from what he averaged with Bosh. Take Harris numbers with New Jersey or Dallas, and TJ Ford's numbers before he was injured, and Calderon's numbers during his "slump" and it still looks solid.

Harris' New Jersey stats; per 35 [Calderon's numbers during his slump still look better than Harris]

PPG: 15
APG: 5.8
TO: 2.4
FG: 42%
3FG: 27%

Ford's stats before his injury; per 35 [Ford only beats "Slump" Calderon in PPG [its a fairly large victory though] but "Slump" Calderon still shoots better and gets more dimes [with a better AST/TO ratio].

PPG: 19
APG: 8.7
TO: 2.8
FG: 47%
3FG: 24%

Now compare them to Calderon's numbers before Bosh went down.

MPG: 35
PPG: 15
APG: 10
TO: 2.1
FG: 54%
3FG: 46%

Its flat out better than both pre-injury Ford and Harris' numbers. Granted, Harris and Ford play better defense than Calderon [especially when Calderon playing without Bosh [as Bosh is the best help defender on the team] but Ford is no primer defender [ask Ronnie Price] and I can't say for Harris, [as I don't watch him play to much] but I'd hazard a guess that he ain't no Bruce Bowen either. The defensive gap is not as large as it seems [now that Bosh is back, Calderon's defense looks much better].

Both Ford and Harris have missed games because of injury, while Calderon has not. [Harris has played 50/68 games and Ford has played an abysmal 37/68 games.] Ford has a dangerous medical condition which leads him to be injury prone, and that lowers his value considerably. Harris missed chunks of his sophomore season, but other than that [and the games he has missed this year] he is a fairly healthy player.

My final ratings.

1.Calderon
2. Harris
3. Ford [injuries play a big toll. His play off the bench has been pathetic too]

[Being able to make it to the court consistently is part of being a better player in my book.]

PimpORL · Post #7 » by **PimpORL** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:33 pm

1. Calderon
2. Harris
3. Ford

Kosta · Post #8 » by **Kosta** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:37 pm

1.Calderon
2t.Harris
2t.Ford

raps4life~ · Post #9 » by **raps4life~** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:54 pm

When they are at their best (ford hasn't been all that well lately)

Ford
Calderon
Harris

Right Now:

Calderon
Harris
Ford

ajmal · Post #10 » by **ajmal** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:54 pm

T-Spot wrote:I feel Calderon reign's supreme here.

Everyone said he was in a slump when Bosh was injured. I mean, when you can shoot 48% FG and 40% 3FG on 10 PPG and 8 APG in 28 MPG without the Franchise, and people call it a big slump, you must be doing something right.

Seriously, if you take those numbers and plug them into the 35 MPG Calderon played when Ford was out, you would get decreases scoring and shooting %'s but the same in APG.

During his "big slump without Bosh" per 35 stats.

PPG: 13
APG: 10
TO:2.4
FG: 48%
3FG: 40%

Sure, its a decrease from what he averaged with Bosh. Take Harris numbers with New Jersey or Dallas, and TJ Ford's numbers before he was injured, and Calderon's numbers during his "slump" and it still looks solid.

Harris' New Jersey stats; per 35 [Calderon's numbers during his slump still look better than Harris]

PPG: 15
APG: 5.8
TO: 2.4
FG: 42%
3FG: 27%

Ford's stats before his injury; per 35 [Ford only beats "Slump" Calderon in PPG [its a fairly large victory though] but "Slump" Calderon still shoots better and gets more dimes [with a better AST/TO ratio].

PPG: 19
APG: 8.7
TO: 2.8
FG: 47%
3FG: 24%

Now compare them to Calderon's numbers before Bosh went down.

MPG: 35
PPG: 15
APG: 10
TO: 2.1
FG: 54%
3FG: 46%

Its flat out better than both pre-injury Ford and Harris' numbers. Granted, Harris and Ford play better defense than Calderon [especially when Calderon playing without Bosh [as Bosh is the best help defender on the team] but Ford is no primer defender [ask Ronnie Price] and I can't say for Harris, [as I don't watch him play to much] but I'd hazard a guess that he ain't no Bruce Bowen either. The defensive gap is not as large as it seems [now that Bosh is back, Calderon's defense looks much better].

Both Ford and Harris have missed games because of injury, while Calderon has not. [Harris has played 50/68 games and Ford has played an abysmal 37/68 games.] Ford has a dangerous medical condition which leads him to be injury prone, and that lowers his value considerably. Harris missed chunks of his sophomore season, but other than that [and the games he has missed this year] he is a fairly healthy player.

My final ratings.

1.Calderon
2. Harris
3. Ford [injuries play a big toll. His play off the bench has been pathetic too]

[Being able to make it to the court consistently is part of being a better player in my book.]

now try explaining his defense.

raps4life~ · Post #11 » by **raps4life~** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:56 pm

ajmal wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

now try explaining his defense.

what defense?

T-Spot · Post #12 » by **T-Spot** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:56 pm

ajmal wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

now try explaining his defense.

If you think TJ is much better defender, you're kidding yourself.

a-rod · Post #13 » by **a-rod** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:19 pm

raps4life~ wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

what defense?

classic .......

1.Ford
2.Calderon
3.Harris

RapsVC15 · Post #14 » by **RapsVC15** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:42 pm

1. Calderon

2. a)Harris
b)Ford

Southward1 · Post #15 » by **Southward1** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:41 am

1. Ford
2. Calderon
3. Harris

That Nicka · Post #16 » by **That Nicka** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:50 am

Both Raptors are better than Harris

Baller 24 · Post #17 » by **Baller 24** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:01 am

Calderon has put himself in the elite with the PGs with that hes been doing, hes putting Nash like numbers up the past 15-20 games.

the_second_coming · Post #18 » by **the_second_coming** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:52 am

Calderon
Harris
Ford

Promezclan · Post #19 » by **Promezclan** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:58 am

Baller 24 wrote:Calderon has put himself in the elite with the PGs with that hes been doing, hes putting Nash like numbers up the past 15-20 games.

Actually he has been lousy the last 15-20 games. But he did very well before that.

ITK9 · Post #20 » by **ITK9** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:13 am

harris-ford

calderon