Brandon Roy vs. Monta Elis vs. Kevin Martin
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:08 pm
I think it goes:
Martin
Elis
Roy
Martin
Elis
Roy
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Brandon Roy vs. Monta Elis vs. Kevin Martin
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:01 pm
Roy>Martin>Ellis
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:25 pm
I think Ellis will be the best player out of these three next season, followed by Roy, then Martin.
Very tight comparison though. All are very good guards.
Very tight comparison though. All are very good guards.
Re: Brandon Roy vs. Monta Elis vs. Kevin Martin
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:31 pm
robertjanssen007 wrote:I think it goes:
Martin
Elis
Roy
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:32 pm
Give me Monta or give me death.
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:55 pm
Roy
Ellis
Martin
Ellis
Martin
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:07 pm
Roy
Ellis
Martin
Ellis
Martin
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:07 pm
Ellis
Martin
Roy
Martin
Roy
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:38 pm
Here are their pace-adjusted per-40 stats:
Martin and Ellis are ridiculously efficient scorers. Roy is the bigger stat stuffer across the board but a less efficient scorer. He's also the best defender of the group.
The one issue with Ellis is that he is undersized for a SG (and has shown little ability to play PG like an Arenas or Iverson). He benefits by playing alongside a big strong PG like Davis who can guard opposing SG's. On a more conventional team, he might have matchup difficulties on defense. For that reason, I'd rank him 3rd among the three.
Between Martin and Roy, I'd go with Roy. Martin might still be a little better right now, but I think Martin's game is about as good as it's going to get. I don't see much more upside. Roy will become better than Martin within the next year or two (if he isn't already). I think Roy can still improve his shooting quite a bit.
1. Roy
2. Martin
3. Ellis
Code: Select all
Player PTS REB AST STL BLK TO eFG% TS% PER
martin,kevin 25.1 4.9 2.2 1.1 0.1 2.2 .509 .610 20.7
roy,brandon 21.5 5.4 6.4 1.2 0.2 2.1 .481 .528 19.5
ellis,monta 19.9 4.8 3.8 1.4 0.3 2.0 .535 .581 19.0Martin and Ellis are ridiculously efficient scorers. Roy is the bigger stat stuffer across the board but a less efficient scorer. He's also the best defender of the group.
The one issue with Ellis is that he is undersized for a SG (and has shown little ability to play PG like an Arenas or Iverson). He benefits by playing alongside a big strong PG like Davis who can guard opposing SG's. On a more conventional team, he might have matchup difficulties on defense. For that reason, I'd rank him 3rd among the three.
Between Martin and Roy, I'd go with Roy. Martin might still be a little better right now, but I think Martin's game is about as good as it's going to get. I don't see much more upside. Roy will become better than Martin within the next year or two (if he isn't already). I think Roy can still improve his shooting quite a bit.
1. Roy
2. Martin
3. Ellis
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:51 pm
1. roy
2. ellis
3. martin
2. ellis
3. martin
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:08 pm
I would rank Roy first and then Ellis second.
Martin ranks third because he's just stat padding on a bad team that's not going any where anytime soon.
Martin ranks third because he's just stat padding on a bad team that's not going any where anytime soon.
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:50 pm
Ellis
Roy
Martin
Ellis is developing into a good PG , having BD mentoring him is a good thing.
He has a better mid range / paint game then roy and martin, and he's the quickest and fastest out of all 3 of them.
I can go on and on... Ellis in the future will be better and that's why I'm choosing him.
Roy
Martin
Ellis is developing into a good PG , having BD mentoring him is a good thing.
He has a better mid range / paint game then roy and martin, and he's the quickest and fastest out of all 3 of them.
I can go on and on... Ellis in the future will be better and that's why I'm choosing him.
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:05 pm
Roy
Martin
Ellis
Martin
Ellis
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:54 pm
Cruel_Ruin wrote:Roy
Martin
Ellis
I agree...
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:29 pm
Roy
Martin/Ellis
Ellis/Martin
IDK..
Martin/Ellis
Ellis/Martin
IDK..
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:33 pm
Hasnt a Ellis vs Martin be discussed before just a homer vs homer. All this is throwing Roy into the homer war.
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:12 pm
nate33 wrote:Here are their pace-adjusted per-40 stats:Code: Select all
Player PTS REB AST STL BLK TO eFG% TS% PER
martin,kevin 25.1 4.9 2.2 1.1 0.1 2.2 .509 .610 20.7
roy,brandon 21.5 5.4 6.4 1.2 0.2 2.1 .481 .528 19.5
ellis,monta 19.9 4.8 3.8 1.4 0.3 2.0 .535 .581 19.0
Martin and Ellis are ridiculously efficient scorers. Roy is the bigger stat stuffer across the board but a less efficient scorer. He's also the best defender of the group.
The one issue with Ellis is that he is undersized for a SG (and has shown little ability to play PG like an Arenas or Iverson). He benefits by playing alongside a big strong PG like Davis who can guard opposing SG's. On a more conventional team, he might have matchup difficulties on defense. For that reason, I'd rank him 3rd among the three.
Between Martin and Roy, I'd go with Roy. Martin might still be a little better right now, but I think Martin's game is about as good as it's going to get. I don't see much more upside. Roy will become better than Martin within the next year or two (if he isn't already). I think Roy can still improve his shooting quite a bit.
1. Roy
2. Martin
3. Ellis
No, he hasnt. True, he has the complete package of offense of SG. But he needs to develop some sort of turnaround shot in the post (Which he lacks) and improvement of ball handling...Even Martin said that and will work on it over the summer. Knowing that he is a GYM RAT, I wont be surprised that of a statline of 25/5/4 by next year... But yeah, I agree with that list, currently...
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:12 pm
Roy
Martin
Ellis
Martin
Ellis
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:12 pm
double post
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:18 pm
Cruel_Ruin wrote:Roy
Martin
Ellis