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Assuming they all were just paid the vet min and for just 1 year (to put them all on an even playing field). So players that are just over paid as opposed to cancerous should not make this list. It could be because of locker room issues, play on the court, loose lips to the media, whatever...just don't look at salary & contract length.

This was sparked after seeing some trades that people think are fair, but I see great team-mate vs cancer. Then after my responses, I see people defending these cancers.

For me, my list would be:

1) Antoine Walker
2) Tim Thomas
3) Ricky Davis
4) Steve Francis
5) Zach Randolph


Who is on your list?

marbury
crawford
qrich
randolph
curry

magicfan4life05 wrote:marbury
crawford
qrich
randolph
curry

Agreed....we Magic fans think alike

PG - Stephon Marbury
SG - Jamal Crawford
SF - Q -Rich
PF - Zach Randolph
C - Eddy Curry

STEPHON MARBURY
JAMAL CRAWFORD
QUENTIN RICHARDSON
ZACH RANDOLPH
EDDY CURRY

lol, wow. at the exact same time and everything.


anyway, [/thread]

I think Richardson is the worst of the five?

Hey now, lets not make this into a Knicks bashing fest. I'd take Crawford and Q-rich if they were paid vet min and 1 yr. Don't know that I could say the same for Curry, Zbo and Starbury.

Stephen Jackson
Ron Artest
Jamal Tinsley
Marquis Daniels

Basically all the knuckleheads who watch too many rap videos and think they have to imitate it.

I'd love to have Ron Artest. He plays with intensity and makes others play with intensity.

Smush Parker now there's a cancer!

Never knew Marquis Daniels was a rap-video-watching-knuckle-head.

Farsi Man wrote:I'd love to have Ron Artest. He plays with intensity and makes others play with intensity.

Smush Parker now there's a cancer!

Smush was my #6

And agreed...I'd take Artest in a hearbeat so long as I did not have to trade a lot to get him. Signing a vet min contract is a no brainer to me.

marbury
crawford
qrich
randolph
curry

GJense4181 wrote:Never knew Marquis Daniels was a rap-video-watching-knuckle-head.

Daniels is noted for having several tattoos inscribed on different parts of his body. The tattoos range from an extremely detailed map of Florida that covers his entire back, a disturbing caricature of a man blowing his head with a shotgun on his lower right arm

I would not want anyone with such rubbish in his head on my team.

Having played in Europe, there is just a different mentality about stuff like that. Players are supposed to be disciplined and not shoot guns or fight fans. The coach is the boss and what he says is going to be done without opening your mouth.

I just don't like this thuggish and wannabe tough behaviour on and off the court.

In my opinion that is the reason why the talent in the USA has regressed. Players like Jordan, Magic, Bird, Hakeem and Stockton were smart players on the court who had intensity but never negatively affected their teams by being overly aggressive and undisciplined. Even Jordan who was the biggest egomaniac respected Phil Jackson and never showed him up.

Now you have idiots like Jackson, Artest or Tinsley who could explode any minute and totally disrupt the team hieratchy and discipline with their behaviour.
Do you think a top coach like Zejlko Obradovic would accept that ? If something like that happened in his team, those guys would be layed off immediately.


There is a reason why guys like Ryan Bowen are in the league. They play hard, don't talk and do what the coach is telling them.

I really have a hard time enjoying NBA basketball, when it is basically guys doing what they wanna do instead of listening to the coach. The NBA has become overrated and the results are visible in the international tournaments where the USA hasn't won a gold medal in 8 years.

Especially guys from poorer and tougher circumstances need a coach, who will put them into their place rather than just ignore if they act stupidly.

And before anyone starts crying about me being racist, then I can just dismiss that as ridiculous. Believe it or not, my father is Nigerian so pulling this race thing does not work here.
But I am just having hard time hating someone like Bruce Bowen or Ginobili, when you would never have to worry about these guys shooting guns or fighting fans during a game. You never see anyone on the Spurs ever chastising a referee. Yeah, they complain and whine but never in an aggressive way. Popovich is one if the few coaches who is actually a hardliner and disciplinarian and judging by his playoff success, I would say it works for him. It is also funny how Stephen Jackson has never caused any trouble in San Antonio, while in Indiana and GS he totally exploded. Makes me think...

I think the entire league has decided that Ruben Patterson is number 1 on this list.

Eddy Curry
Stephon Marbury
Antoine Walker
Jason Collins
Kwame Brown

Al McInnins has to be on this list .

Mr. Savage wrote:

GJense4181 wrote:Never knew Marquis Daniels was a rap-video-watching-knuckle-head.

Daniels is noted for having several tattoos inscribed on different parts of his body. The tattoos range from an extremely detailed map of Florida that covers his entire back, a disturbing caricature of a man blowing his head with a shotgun on his lower right arm

I would not want anyone with such rubbish in his head on my team.

Having played in Europe, there is just a different mentality about stuff like that. Players are supposed to be disciplined and not shoot guns or fight fans. The coach is the boss and what he says is going to be done without opening your mouth.

I just don't like this thuggish and wannabe tough behaviour on and off the court.

In my opinion that is the reason why the talent in the USA has regressed. Players like Jordan, Magic, Bird, Hakeem and Stockton were smart players on the court who had intensity but never negatively affected their teams by being overly aggressive and undisciplined. Even Jordan who was the biggest egomaniac respected Phil Jackson and never showed him up.

Now you have idiots like Jackson, Artest or Tinsley who could explode any minute and totally disrupt the team hieratchy and discipline with their behaviour.
Do you think a top coach like Zejlko Obradovic would accept that ? If something like that happened in his team, those guys would be layed off immediately.


There is a reason why guys like Ryan Bowen are in the league. They play hard, don't talk and do what the coach is telling them.

I really have a hard time enjoying NBA basketball, when it is basically guys doing what they wanna do instead of listening to the coach. The NBA has become overrated and the results are visible in the international tournaments where the USA hasn't won a gold medal in 8 years.

Especially guys from poorer and tougher circumstances need a coach, who will put them into their place rather than just ignore if they act stupidly.

And before anyone starts crying about me being racist, then I can just dismiss that as ridiculous. Believe it or not, my father is Nigerian so pulling this race thing does not work here.
But I am just having hard time hating someone like Bruce Bowen or Ginobili, when you would never have to worry about these guys shooting guns or fighting fans during a game. You never see anyone on the Spurs ever chastising a referee. Yeah, they complain and whine but never in an aggressive way. Popovich is one if the few coaches who is actually a hardliner and disciplinarian and judging by his playoff success, I would say it works for him. It is also funny how Stephen Jackson has never caused any trouble in San Antonio, while in Indiana and GS he totally exploded. Makes me think...

I think you make a good point but you only talk about "thuggish" players which kinda implies blacks. I mean there are boneheaded white players too ya know. Chris Andersen?

Magic Johnson
Michael Jordan
Larry Bird
Tim Duncan
Wilt Chamberlain

No way Jose.

Farsi Man wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



I think you make a good point but you only talk about "thuggish" players which kinda implies blacks. I mean there are boneheaded white players too ya know. Chris Andersen?

But someone like Chris Andersen is not known for being disruptive, but that is besides the point.

Fact is I don't like this whole thug shtick. If most of the people that call themselves thugs are black, so be it, because I don't care. I just can say that a vast majority of the black people I know don't have any thuggish attributes.

I'd love to have guys like Battier, Fisher, Grant Hill, Duncan or Anthony Parker on my team. These guys are professional, disciplined and smart players, who respect their coach and don't have a bloated ego.

Just see what TJ Ford is doing in Toronto. That guy is singlehandedly disrupting the whole team with his selfish and egoistical behaviour. I would not want someone like that on my team.