Will Chris Paul surpass Walt Frazier or Isiah Thomas?

JordansBulls · Post #1 » by **JordansBulls** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 10:55 pm

Will Chris Paul surpass Walt Frazier or Isiah Thomas as a better PG?

ILikeTheGrizz · Post #2 » by **ILikeTheGrizz** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 11:29 pm

I guess he could but I don't understand all this talk about a guy who, right now, has only led his team to 50+ wins. Yes, a historic season as well but TMac had a historic season earlier this decade and is he better than Clyde or Zeke?

22 is way too young to be doing this. Think fast: Will OJ Mayo be better than Nique? Will some kid playing great in high school be better than Fat Lever? What's the point of this?

That Nicka · Post #3 » by **That Nicka** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 11:39 pm

writerman · Post #4 » by **writerman** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 11:55 pm

Thomas? Conceivable, but not Frazier. Frazier is the all-time gold standard for point guards.

Why is this even being talked about about a kid only in his 2nd year in the league who has never smelled the playoffs yet?

stupid, stupid, stupid. :noway:

magicfan4life05 · Post #5 » by **magicfan4life05** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 11:57 pm

it's his third year

carrottop12 · Post #6 » by **carrottop12** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:56 am

writerman wrote:Thomas? Conceivable, but not Frazier. Frazier is the all-time gold standard for point guards.

Why is this even being talked about about a kid only in his 2nd year in the league who has never smelled the playoffs yet?

stupid, stupid, stupid.

You really know nothing about the NBA do you?

JK JK.

But it seems to be that not only is Isiah more highly reguarded on this board but my most supposed experts on the NBA. I share the sentiment.

Post #7 » by **Harry Palmer** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:02 am

writerman wrote:Why is this even being talked about about a kid only in his 2nd year in the league who has never smelled the playoffs yet?

Finally I get why you think all modern players are only 2/3rds of any player from the past. It all makes sense to me now.

writerman · Post #8 » by **writerman** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:10 am

Batronuj wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

You really know nothing about the NBA do you?

JK JK.

But it seems to be that not only is Isiah more highly reguarded on this board but my most supposed experts on the NBA. I share the sentiment.

To the contrary I do, and that's why I pick Frazier over Thomas, who would predictably be the kneejerk "obvious" choice of less knowledgeable fans. Thomas was a very good player and deserves the honors he received, but Frazier was at least as good as Thomas in every phase of the game and significantly better in many, especially defensively.

Post #9 » by **Doctor MJ** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:59 pm

ILikeTheGrizz wrote:I guess he could but I don't understand all this talk about a guy who, right now, has only led his team to 50+ wins. Yes, a historic season as well but TMac had a historic season earlier this decade and is he better than Clyde or Zeke?

22 is way too young to be doing this. Think fast: Will OJ Mayo be better than Nique? Will some kid playing great in high school be better than Fat Lever? What's the point of this?

Paul is arguably better than Clyde & Zeke were at their peak right now. OJ Mayo isn't even as good as some other guards in college who aren't expected to be stars in the pros right now. There's really no comparsion here.

Post #10 » by **Doctor MJ** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:01 pm

Batronuj wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

You really know nothing about the NBA do you?

JK JK.

But it seems to be that not only is Isiah more highly reguarded on this board but my most supposed experts on the NBA. I share the sentiment.

Well when we did our Top 100 of all time project on this board, Frazier was above Thomas. I share that sentiment. :wink:

Post #11 » by **CBS7** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:19 pm

writerman wrote:Thomas? Conceivable, but not Frazier. Frazier is the all-time gold standard for point guards.

Why is this even being talked about about a kid only in his 2nd year in the league who has never smelled the playoffs yet?

stupid, stupid, stupid.

I'm pretty sure he can smell them right now.

Its conceivable to me that he passes both up, but yeah, we shouldn't be talking about it right now, he has too much ground to cover up.

Also- Paul's in his 3rd year.

IggyTheBEaST · Post #12 » by **IggyTheBEaST** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:47 pm

People gota come down from this Chris Paul Cloud. Its getting, no, its already gotten ridiculous

Myth_Breaker · Post #13 » by **Myth_Breaker** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:01 pm

Doctor MJ wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Paul is arguably better than Clyde & Zeke were at their peak right now. OJ Mayo isn't even as good as some other guards in college who aren't expected to be stars in the pros right now. There's really no comparsion here.

Do you REALLY think so, apparently without taking into account defense and team success? :-(

Warspite · Post #14 » by **Warspite** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:07 am

This same debate came up with Kenny Anderson. Im not holding my breath.

Paul does remind me of Isiah just not as good on defense and lacks the range.

The thing about Isiah is that he had alot of 2-14 in the 1st half but make his last 10 shots in the 4th. He could get you down by 20 and he could bring you back.

Post #15 » by **Doctor MJ** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:30 am

Myth_Breaker wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Do you REALLY think so, apparently without taking into account defense and team success?

I really don't understand why you would think that's strange. Paul could easily win MVP this year, Frazier and Isiah were never even strong contenders. To do so Paul would have to win over Kobe and LeBron, two guys who'd be tough to beat in any era.

I'm not going to say you're unreasonable for disagreeing with Paul being better, but that it's within the realm of debate is obvious.

I'm curious, if this same thread were made about Kobe would you be saying the same thing? If not, do you really believe Kobe is that far ahead of Paul?

Duiz · Post #16 » by **Duiz** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:28 am

Both Deron Williams and Chris Paul will be better than Frazier and Isiah Thomas. They will do throught their career with much much less and from small markets.

I say this of course if there is no major injuries or many small injuries plaguing them.

Post #17 » by **Harry Palmer** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:53 pm

Myth_Breaker wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Do you REALLY think so, apparently without taking into account defense and team success?

Isiah himself...not one normally noted for self-deprecation...says that Paul is already better than he ever was.

Duiz · Post #18 » by **Duiz** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:48 pm

Chris Paul = Martin Luther King Jr.

KNICKS1970 · Post #19 » by **KNICKS1970** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:52 pm

Harry Palmer wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Isiah himself...not one normally noted for self-deprecation...says that Paul is already better than he ever was.

Not quite. I hate to defend Isiah on anything, but the exact quote was:

Isiah Thomas paid Paul, 22, the ultimate compliment earlier this season, telling Hornets assistant Darrell Walker, an old Pistons teammate, "I don't know whether I was that good when I was his age."

This was in the SI issue with Dale Jr. on the cover.

Duiz · Post #20 » by **Duiz** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:54 pm

KNICKS1970 wrote:This was in the SI issue with Dale Jr. on the cover.

You are part of the liberal left wing media. You deserve to die!

Chris Paul = President George W. Bush+Newt Gringrich