PRIME- Grant Hill/ Dirk

RelativeZdot · Post #1 » by **RelativeZdot** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:30 am

Im taking Dirk. He's won more and led his team better imo. BUT, Hill was the more versatile player. Who you got?

bstein14 · Post #2 » by **bstein14** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 5:13 am

Grant Hill was better.

Grant Hill is so amazingly under appreciated because he never had the talent around him and he got injured just as he came into his prime.

Patterns · Post #3 » by **Patterns** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:26 am

Dirk

This isn't a good time for Dirk comparisons. You can compare him to Smush Parker and people might still take Smush over Dirk.

cwas2882 · Post #4 » by **cwas2882** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:08 pm

Prime Grant Hill

Hunter · Post #5 » by **Hunter** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:17 pm

cwas2882 wrote:Prime Grant Hill

legacyinthemakin89c · Post #6 » by **legacyinthemakin89c** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:25 pm

A prime Grant Hill is a top 10 small forward of all time. Dirk isn't a top ten power forward of all time.

MagicFan149 · Post #7 » by **MagicFan149** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:36 pm

prime grant hill ... hands down... he was sick before the injuries... and demolishing of franchises

Post #8 » by **CBS7** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:28 pm

20/6/5, 20/10/7, 21/9/7, 21/8/7, 21/7/6, 26/7/5.

Hill's first 6 years, before he went through the injury plagued Magic seasons.

Meh. Dirk is incredibly underrated on these boards. He gets a lot of flak because he doesn't play like a traditional PF. This is very close, but I'd go with Grant Hill.

I like both players a lot.

I change my mind. I'd still take Dirk. This guy is somehow considered a choker and a guy who doesn't show up in the playoffs. He's had one significantly bad playoffs in his career, which was last year.

Playoff numbers:

25/11 for his career.
29/8 this year.
27/12 in the year he went to the finals.

Somehow he gets the blame for them being behind this year, and he recieved a lot of flak after his less then stellar finals series (which wasn't terrible at all, the reason they lost was Jason Terry, and the timeout mishap didn't help either).

Last year, yes, getting shut down by SFs and SGs was terrible, as he averaged under 20 a game on 38.3 FG%. But he still 11.3 boards, 2.3 assists, 1.8 steals, and 1.3 blocks.

Post #9 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:56 pm

sp6r=underrated · Post #10 » by **sp6r=underrated** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:58 pm

As another poster pointed out, Dirk is very underrated and I would take him over Hill by a slight margin.

1. In spite of popular belief Dirk is a better post-season performer then Hill. Here is Hill's playoff numbers, per 40 minutes, from Detroit in comparison to Dirks.

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       PPG,  RPG,   APG,  BPG,  SPG,  EFG,   TS
Hill: 21.42, 7.50,  6.12, 0.51, 1.31, 0.464, 0.516
Dirk: 24.04, 10.45, 2.28, 1.01, 1.23, 0.480, 0.570

2. Dirk was a more regarded player at his peak making three All-NBA 1st team while Hill only made one.

3. The biggest flaws in Dirk's game are his alleged softness and lack of defense. Hill at his peak also had the soft label and wasn't anything significant as a defender himself.

BirdIsDaKing · Post #11 » by **BirdIsDaKing** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:03 am

People overate Grant Hill on this site. Where the hell did he take the pistons when they made the playoffs. Nowhere. He was an extremely versitile player but I dont think he would've gone anywere as a first option. Even the 2000 season were he was at his absolute PEAK, before he went down right before the playoffs, his teams couldn't do ****. his peak season he had great numbers, yet his team was 2 games over .500.(42-40) even when he was averaging 26/7/5 throughout the season

Pathetic.

shawngoat23 · Post #12 » by **shawngoat23** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:36 am

Grant Hill was a better player. But I don't think he was a top 10 SF.

Bird, Erving, Havlicek, Baylor, Barry, and Pippen were indisputably better than him. I'd certainly take Dantley as well. You can then make a case for guys like Bernard King, Alex English, Billy Cunningham, Dominique Wilkins, and James Worthy.

This is to say nothing of guys like Oscar Robertson, Clyde Drexler, George Gervin, Reggie Miller, or Chris Mullin who played some SF. Certainly, if you choose the right criteria and are extremely restrictive in defining "small forward", you might be able to squeak Grant into the top 10, but generally speaking, that's not the case.

Edit: Forgot a few players, including LeBron.

legacyinthemakin89c · Post #13 » by **legacyinthemakin89c** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 4:54 am

I consider Havlicek a shooting guard.

Bird
Erving
Baylor
James
Pippen
Prime Hill
Barry
Dantley
Wilkins
English

I put Hill in front of those guys because a prime Hill was a much better defender then those guys were. They were all better pure scorers then Hill was, but Hill was also a great passer and a good rebounder.

sp6r=underrated · Post #14 » by **sp6r=underrated** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:12 am

Rick Barry was far more dominant than Hill.

conleyorbust · Post #15 » by **conleyorbust** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:43 pm

sp6r=underrated wrote:Rick Barry was far more dominant than Hill.

No question.

jab · Post #16 » by **jab** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:30 pm

sp6r=underrated wrote:Rick Barry was far more dominant than Hill.

Suggestion: Rick Barry/Prime Grant Hill comparison thread

jab · Post #17 » by **jab** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:34 pm

conleyorbust wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

No question.

I thought the OP's question was Prime Grant Hill/Dirk

jab · Post #18 » by **jab** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:36 pm

cwas2882 wrote:Prime Grant Hill

sp6r=underrated · Post #19 » by **sp6r=underrated** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:50 pm

jab wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I thought the OP's question was Prime Grant Hill/Dirk

I was responding to the poster who actually rated Hill better than Barry.

lebronmj88 · Post #20 » by **lebronmj88** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:29 pm

Grant Hill no question. the guy did it all and was still getting better when he got hurt.