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Jameer Nelson or Raymond Felton?
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:53 pm
by GeorgeMarcus
Who's better now? More promising future?
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:04 pm
by TMU
Jameer Nelson, and not even close.
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:20 pm
by GeorgeMarcus
I mean clearly it's at least close...
don't base on on success because Howard/ Lewis/ Turk > Okafor/ Richardson/ Wallace
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:45 pm
by Tha King
T-Mac United wrote:Jameer Nelson, and not even close.
lmao at this. We'll see how close these two are when Felton finally runs a team led by a coach who knows what he's doing.
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:11 pm
by Cammo101
This is definitely close, but I am going to go with Jameer. His toughness and leadership are key.
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:13 pm
by WesWesley
Nelson right now, but I think Felton can be the better player.
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:21 pm
by TMU
Felton is one of the biggest losers in this league...
Loss Shares
2005-06 NBA 26 (7th in the league)
2006-07 NBA 30 (3rd in the league)
2007-08 NBA 28 (3rd in the league)
Can Felton outscore Ford and Calderon in the playoffs (like Nelson did)? No.
Can Felton shoot better than Nelson? No.
Does Felton possess any leadership qualities like Nelson? No.
Tell me one thing Felton does significantly better than Nelson. None.
Give me Nelson any **** day.
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:15 pm
by OmniDEN
T-Mac United wrote:Felton is one of the biggest losers in this league...
Loss Shares
2005-06 NBA 26 (7th in the league)
2006-07 NBA 30 (3rd in the league)
2007-08 NBA 28 (3rd in the league)
Can Felton outscore Ford and Calderon in the playoffs (like Nelson did)? No.
Can Felton shoot better than Nelson? No.
Does Felton possess any leadership qualities like Nelson? No.
Tell me one thing Felton does significantly better than Nelson. None.
Give me Nelson any **** day.
One thing? Passing...
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:01 am
by TMU
MeloTelfair wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
One thing? Passing...
Not by much.
Nelson
AST%: 31.1
Usage%: 19.0
Felton
AST%: 32.4
Usage%: 20.8
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:38 am
by OmniDEN
T-Mac United wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Not by much.
Nelson
AST%: 31.1
Usage%: 19.0
Felton
AST%: 32.4
Usage%: 20.8
And factor in that he's been played at SG because Vincent was a moron. He hasn't had a good coach yet to help him teach him how to run an offense. This upcoming season will be his breakout year.
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:52 am
by TMU
MeloTelfair wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
And factor in that he's been played at SG because Vincent was a moron. He hasn't had a good coach yet to help him teach him how to run an offense. This upcoming season will be his breakout year.
You can make the same excuse for Nelson as well. Orlando splits the ball-handling role between Nelson and Turkoglu.
Larry Brown will improve Felton's game. We'll see if he breaks out next year.
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:55 am
by A.J.
Raymond Felton
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:30 am
by Cashville_33
T-Mac United wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
You can make the same excuse for Nelson as well. Orlando splits the ball-handling role between Nelson and Turkoglu.
Larry Brown will improve Felton's game. We'll see if he breaks out next year.
well Hedu is their best playmaker. Playing Felton at SG so Brevin Knight and Jeff Mcginnis can play 25+ mpg is stupid. Plus while Jameer is playing off the ball, that highlights his strengths (shooting and scoring), playing SG magnifies Felton's weaknesses (shooting).
Felton is the better set up man, while Nelson scores better. Next year Felton will finally be playing under a legit nba level head coach. If this discussion between the two is still relevant (and even close), declare Felton a bust.
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:47 pm
by DaBassSource
doubleC 0725 wrote:I mean clearly it's at least close...
don't base on on success because Howard/ Lewis/ Turk > Okafor/ Richardson/ Wallace
If you are looking at this season it is not close but in favor of Ray...Also, Ray is one tough kid, not sure about him losing that toughness battle either...
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 4:26 pm
by Serpo
Nelson is too short to be a NBA starter Felton at least has the size for it .
Felton looks ok no a star but he's more of a PG then Nelson who plays like a stronger and slightly taller version of Earl Boykins .
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:03 pm
by Ballings7
Definitely Raymond Felton
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:15 pm
by Cammo101
Serpo wrote:Nelson is too short to be a NBA starter Felton at least has the size for it .
Felton looks ok no a star but he's more of a PG then Nelson who plays like a stronger and slightly taller version of Earl Boykins .
Nelson is an NBA starter, and an above average one. So, that kind of makes no sense.
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 1:41 am
by Serpo
No one of his size should be an NBA starter unless you're an superstar .
He's just a liability and he can play with as much heart as he wants he'll allways get problems on the defensive end .
Hell he might be 15/7 guy somewhere down the road but every decent opposing PG will post 20/10 on him
And just because he's starting on the Magic doesn't mean he would start on any other playoff team . Hell even some lottery teams have better PG's .
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 1:51 am
by Cammo101
Serpo wrote:No one of his size should be an NBA starter unless you're an superstar .
He's just a liability and he can play with as much heart as he wants he'll allways get problems on the defensive end .
Hell he might be 15/7 guy somewhere down the road but every decent opposing PG will post 20/10 on him
And just because he's starting on the Magic doesn't mean he would start on any other playoff team . Hell even some lottery teams have better PG's .
Jameer is not a great defender, but he is no liability either. He gives better on offense than he takes on defense. Denver, a playoff team, would kill for Jameer as their PG.
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 1:53 am
by Serpo
If Denver would finally play A.I at PG he wouldn't but Denver just plays 2 undersized guards and prefers to get smoked ...