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a year or so ago there was a thread on here where people were asked who they preferred, Ray Allen or Reggie Miller.

The consensus of the "experts" here was that Allen was better.

Well we've seen in the postseason this year that Allen comes up small in crunch time, which OTOH was the time that Reggie stepped up big time.

Any of the "experts" here maybe want to do a little rethinking?

Reggie Miller >>> Ray Allen. Allen isn't fit to carry Reggie's gym bag for him.

It's pretty much Reggie vs Richmond all over again.

Allen/Richmond may have the more complete games, but Reggie was a better scorer than either and rose to the occasion in the playoffs.

reggie had a better post season as a 30 something role player

i don't think it was ever a consensus among people who are older than 15 years old. you've been on here long enough to know that 50%+ of realgm'ers just follow the first few posts of a thread and then follow the momentum.

ray allen has never been a superstar. he's a very good player but he's had semi-inflated stats. not as inflated as a zach randolph but considering he's never played on any great teams before (don't tell me the bucks were great, the east just sucked) he obviously will get to handle the ball and take more shots.

if anything compare reggie and a guy like rip hamilton. both were winners and worked more in the confines of a team, instead of a star or two and role players. we're seeing how ray is adapting to a team structure and now that he's not a volume shooter, we're seeing how good he is without the stat inflation.

but for the sake of the thread ray allen was never a scary player. he gets a lot of hype for being a good guy and i think that's why he's viewed in a more favorable light then the dirty-ish play of reggie. but in the end reggie could have put up just as good stats if he wanted to but it just wasn't in the best interest of winning. i'm not saying ray was selfish but until this year he's never been in the situation reggie was for most of his career.

Yeah Allen is not good enough to clean Reggies shoes.

I'm thinking that Allens suckage is more to do with Docs coaching than Allen play....but, we'll probably truly find out next season (when Boston gets a new coach)

I always thought Reggie was better than Allen...

Reggie was one of the dirtiest players in the history of NBA. He would push off on every screen, push his leg out on jump shots, and play dirty dirty ball...

Ray is a class act, that almost won All-Star Game MVP behind Lebron only this year.


Ray was shooting 55%+ before play offs started...

He's going through a slump, but he always was, and always will be one of the best shooters in the NBA

Rasheeed!!! wrote:I'm thinking that Allens suckage is more to do with Docs coaching than Allen play....but, we'll probably truly find out next season (when Boston gets a new coach)

You can't blame Doc when he is bricking wide open looks. Doc could probably do a better job of getting him involved, but its not all on him.

Wow aren't people quick to throw Ray Allen under the bus. Do not get me wrong, when it comes to the playoffs I would take Reggie Miller almost above anybody except M.J. But do people forget how good Ray Allen was, he is having a bad spell but he still has one of the sweetest shots in the NBA

The regular season doesn't matter though, hence Ray Allen has done nothing related to greatness. Reggie Miller is the first guy you think of when it comes to perimeter shooting because he did it in the REAL season, the playoffs. If Jordan had never won a championship or only won ONE ring I'd consider Magic Johnson the greater player.

Boston no longer has a 'Big 3'.

Sasha Vuja > Ray Allen.

SAD

Reggie lead a Pacers team to numerous post season runs, and actually made it to the finals with an emerging young star in Jalen Rose. I think Reggie is better, but Ray has more talent in terms of skill, because he can do more than just shoot.

Allen is a better shooter than Reggie, he is not a better player.

Its tough for Ray right now. The Cavs double teamed him constantly. They wouldn't let him come off screens at all. It was like the Cavs played Ray like he was there best player even though he was the third option. They let Pierce go one on one the entire series and KG rarely got many double teams.

Now lets not act like this is how Ray has performed in the playoffs or for the Celtics this year. Ray was easily the Celtics most clutch player in the regular season. Just a couple of years ago Ray averaged 27 points per game against the Kings and Spurs in the playoffs. Almost forced the Spurs to 7 games. When he was in Milwaukee he averaged 25 points 6 assist per game in the playoffs. Played heads up with Allen Iverson in the ECF. In reality writerman Ray Allen probably came into these playoffs as one of the best playoff performers in the league.

My expectations is Ray will have a much better series against the Pistons. The Pistons are more conventional defensively and don't do as much double teaming.

Well, comparing them player2player, i take miller.

There both average defenders, give u very average steals and blocks. allen is a better rebounder

They both are such great shooters and underrated athletes, both are very good on the break. I like allen's finishing ability better, though. And both are, of course, alltime free throw shooters. But reggie was very crafty and intelligent at getting to the line. Allen's probably a better passer and playmaker.

Now scoring. what both players are really known for. Both are excellent shooters. Great from 3 and midrange, great catch and shoot players. One very underrated aspect of miller's offensive game is his constant running through screens. What that does is it constantly occupies whoever is guarding him. That deensive player is constantly moving around, trying to catch up to miller. That player therefore has less of an ability to play help defense, rotate to another player, or double down to the post. Staionary players do that. defensive players who need to run can't. Allen does some of this, but def not to the same extent that miller did.

Then you add in that Miller was cold-blooded and clutch. He was the leader of a really good pacers team that only barely lost to jordan's bulls and shaq's lakers. In the 4th quarter, he could beat teams single-handedly. Reggie>Allen.

nightstarstolen wrote:Reggie was one of the dirtiest players in the history of NBA. He would push off on every screen, push his leg out on jump shots, and play dirty dirty ball...

Ray is a class act, that almost won All-Star Game MVP behind Lebron only this year.


Ray was shooting 55%+ before play offs started...

He's going through a slump, but he always was, and always will be one of the best shooters in the NBA

Ummm No, he shot 44 FG% before the playoffs started!

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3080

Ray Allen is a great player but I never really believed he was better then Reggie to be honest. Sure he had the better handles and more complete game but Reggie was a more efficent scorer. And Reggie just seemed to dominate the game more then Ray, probably because he played within the confines of his team.

People need to chill on Ray Allen, he's just having a cold stretch. Also, it's not like this is his 1st time in the playoffs, it's his 5th time, and he put up great, great stats on his first 4 trips. Even including his current slump, Ray has averaged 21.5/4.4/4.2 in the playoffs, shooting 46/41/90, and has overall put up slightly better stats in the postseason than the regular season. Obviously Reggie is a playoff legend (despite never having won a ring in 15 trips to the playoffs . . .), and I'm not arguing that Allen is the better player, but people here have very short memories, and are ripping on Ray way, way too hard.