Lewis vs Turkoglu...

[parso15]

Who is the better basketball player?

Right now every other day another trade proposal thread hits the Orlando board.... Hedo is always in them. Considering Rashards huge contract its obvious why Hedo is considered as a trade "bait"... my question is why do you think is the better overall player? Who would you rather have on your team?

Edit: Forgot to add all things equal (contract)

[Cigamodnalro]

I'd rather have Lewis at $10,000,000 than Hedo at $10,000,000.

I'd rather have Hedo at $7,000,000 than Lewis at $18,000,000.



Lewis is the better basketball player.

[PimpORL]

Lewis is the better player. Better scorer, less turnover prone, more consistent, and a better defender. Turkoglu is a lot better playmaking and he's more aggressive, though. Still, Lewis was playing out of position this season. As the primary scorer at the beginning of the season, he flourished.

[parso15]

I'd rather have Lewis at $10,000,000 than Hedo at $10,000,000.

I'd rather have Hedo at $7,000,000 than Lewis at $18,000,000.



Lewis is the better basketball player.

I see... but what exactly does he do better than Hedo?

Ball handling?
Set up team mates?
Create his own shoot?
Slash?
Rebound?

The only one I can think of is post up...

[Cigamodnalro]

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I see... but what exactly does he do better than Hedo?

Ball handling?
Set up team mates?
Create his own shoot?
Slash?
Rebound?

The only one I can think of is post up...

Really just the small things, like offense and defense and basketball IQ and consistency

[parso15]

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Really just the small things, like offense and defense and basketball IQ and consistency

Consistency makes sense... but basketball IQ is borderline nonsense ... Rashard is on the weakside waiting for Hedo do his point-forward job ...
Somebody should tell SVG that he called the wrong play for these two players the whole year

Defense is also another topic I kind of disagree...

[PimpORL]

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Consistency makes sense... but basketball IQ is borderline nonsense ... Rashard is on the weakside waiting for Hedo do his point-forward job ...
Somebody should tell SVG that he called the wrong play for these two players the whole year

Defense is also another topic I kind of disagree...

Shard knows how to play in the context of the game when shooting and making decisions. He doesn't overdo things. Whereas, Hedo can make great decisions and at the same time make the stupidest decisions you've ever seen.

I can't see how you would think Hedo is a better defender either. It's been pretty clear all season that Rashard has been playing great defense. Hedo hasn't been bad either, but he's just average.

[parso15]

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Shard knows how to play in the context of the game when shooting and making decisions. He doesn't overdo things. Whereas, Hedo can make great decisions and at the same time make the stupidest decisions you've ever seen.

I can't see how you would think Hedo is a better defender either. It's been pretty clear all season that Rashard has been playing great defense. Hedo hasn't been bad either, but he's just average.

Yeah right... ... come on thats just absurd. Defensively they might be close but neither one is great at it!!!

[Cigamodnalro]

Rashard played very good defense all year at PF. He arguably played better PF defense than he ever has as a Small Forward, taking full advantage of his quickness and his length.

Hedo is a perfectly average defender. He's still underrated by most of RealGM (who consider him a liability), but he's nothing special at all. If 5/10 is bad and 10/10 is lockdown, Hedo's a 7.

[parso15]

Woaww... its homer day today
Lewis is regarded as a defensive liability by all unbiased fans... he might be average but to regard him as a great defender is just homerism at its best!!!

I don't know what to say other than if Lewis would have signed with another team & had such a season you guys would call him a role player which he probably is closer to (no shame in it) ... but since he is probably in Orlando until he retires you have to stay positive... Good thinking

[PimpORL]

You're right. We're hating on Hedo, because he's not on our team. Oh, wait...

Lewis WAS a bad defender, until I guess SVG made him into a good one. When your arms are long and you're as athletic as Lewis, it's not that hard. Anyone who's watched the Magic this season can deny that Lewis's defense has been good and better than Hedo's.

[I_Like_Dirt]

All things being equal Lewis is the better player. The only situation where I'd rather have Turkoglu is if it was for a team that had a star big but terrible guard play and I needed a lead offensive player; Hedo fills that role better than Lewis. That said, I actually think that both players were about equally valuable to the Magic this past season and they needed a lead guard. Lewis is just a better NBA player, more reliable, consistent and not nearly as erratic. He's the kind of player it's easy to coach around because you know what he's going to do all the time which makes it easier for his teammates to succeed. Hedo is all over the place and his teammates often have to react to his split second decision changes on the court.

Edited to add:

That last little bit about Hedo being erratic isn't necessarily a negative. I just think that in the context of comparing the two players Lewis comes out on top in part for that reason. In other situations things can be very different.

[parso15]

You're right. We're hating on Hedo, because he's not on our team. Oh, wait...

Lewis WAS a bad defender, until I guess SVG made him into a good one. When your arms are long and you're as athletic as Lewis, it's not that hard. Anyone who's watched the Magic this season can deny that Lewis's defense has been good and better than Hedo's.

Rashard will be around for years but Hedo might be dealt away ....was my point.

I am not questioning your call that Lewis is the better player (although I disagree) but I challenge you to find a non-magic fan to agree with you that he is a great defender. Good luck!

[PimpORL]

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Rashard will be around for years but Hedo might be dealt away ....was my point.

I am not questioning your call that Lewis is the better player (although I disagree) but I challenge you to find a non-magic fan to agree with you that he is a great defender. Good luck!

Don't act like I said he was an elite defender. I said he's been playing great defense and it's true.

But, sure, I'll find a non-magic fan to agree.

[parso15]

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Don't act like I said he was an elite defender. I said he's been playing great defense and it's true.

But, sure, I'll find a non-magic fan to agree.

My bad...I thought that in order to play great defense you would have to be a great defender

[PimpORL]

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My bad...I thought that in order to play great defense you would have to be a great defender

lol Maybe you should reread what I said.

[OmniDEN]

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My bad...I thought that in order to play great defense you would have to be a great defender

Want to hear it from a non-Magic fan? Lewis was one of the worst starting defenders in the league when he played in Seattle. That being said, when he was moved to PF in Orlando he was able to take advantage of his length and quickness.

I wouldn't call him a great defender, but I did see him play good defense throughout the season.

[Cammo101]

I'm going with Hedo here, but it is very close. They do pretty different things.

[Cammo101]

Lewis has played solid defense this year. Not great, but by no means bad.

[parso15]

Lewis has played solid defense this year. Not great, but by no means bad.

This makes sense...