Chris Duhon, Quietly the 2nd Best PG in the East?

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Re: Chris Duhon, Quietly the 2nd Best PG in the East? 

Post#21 » by Roger Murdock » Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:36 am

Hes not even anywhere close to the level of Harris, Rose, Mo Will, Rondo, Calderon, or Ford in my opinion. Maybe top 10.
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Re: Chris Duhon, Quietly the 2nd Best PG in the East? 

Post#22 » by Farm Raid » Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:37 am

Either he got a lot better in his 5th NBA season and after turning 26 (very unlikely), or he's a product of a system and a team (also sounds unlikely).

Of course, when you consider D'Antoni and how his system helped Steve Nash win two MVPs- largely seen to be one of the more amazing individual achievements in NBA history compared to his actual skill level- it becomes pretty obvious that D'Antoni's system is making a serviceable PG seem like a very good one. He's really not.
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Re: Chris Duhon, Quietly the 2nd Best PG in the East? 

Post#23 » by Cigamodnalro » Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:58 am

Promezclan wrote:1. Harris
2. Iverson
3. Rose
4. Rondo
5. Calderon
6. Bibby
7. A. Miller
8. M Williams
9 Ford
10. Sessions
11. Nelson
12. Hinrich
13. Duhon or N. Robinson

Obviously Arenas would be up there if healthy.


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Re: Chris Duhon, Quietly the 2nd Best PG in the East? 

Post#24 » by Buckeye-NBAFan » Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:24 am

whipdamage wrote:nash fans better step up for duhon.


Didn't Nash have more assists, a higher FG%, higher 3 point FG%, higher FT% and more points in the same system?

That's like saying Deron Williams fans better step up because Ronnie Price was able to lead Utah to some wins, so obviously Ronnie Price = Deron Williams.
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Re: Chris Duhon, Quietly the 2nd Best PG in the East? 

Post#25 » by NetsForce » Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:30 am

Duhon isn't even a top 5 guard in the East.
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Re: Chris Duhon, Quietly the 2nd Best PG in the East? 

Post#26 » by Dirty Water » Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:49 am

VCRJKidd15 wrote:
greenbeans wrote:He's doing awesome, but I have to be a homer and say no way, just due to Rondos out of this world play so far. I know he gets a bad rap because of everyone hating Boston right now, but he really is growing into something special.
:lol: :lol: try putting Rondo on the Knicks


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Post#27 » by J-Mezzy » Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:13 am

Nelson severely underrated. He is one of the better scoring point guards in the East and he is clutch as hell.
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Post#28 » by ChiCitySPORTS#1 » Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:21 am

dantoni syndrom.

hes really not that good..ive seen him play for 4 years, and hes an okay PG and a great backup PG...but id still take half of the east PGs over him easily.
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Re: Chris Duhon, Quietly the 2nd Best PG in the East? 

Post#29 » by Lue_4_MVP » Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:38 am

Duhon isn't 2nd best PG in the East, but maybe 2nd best product of the D'antoni hype system, second only to David Lee.
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Post#30 » by stopnpop » Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:03 am

Nooooo....He is a lot better than ppl think though..he is solid..and the way he is playin hes making a case for top 10 in the east...he is a perfect back up pg...which he will be as soon as Nash goes to nyk
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Post#31 » by Ortho Stice » Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:11 am

Second worst PG in the East is closer to the truth
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Re: Chris Duhon, Quietly the 2nd Best PG in the East? 

Post#32 » by TMU » Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:14 am

I wonder how many MVP awards Duhon should get. :D
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Post#33 » by Joseph17 » Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:01 pm

Lots of pgs in the east are better than Duhon. I'm probably going to get bashed for saying this, but I think Nate Robinson is better than Duhon as well.
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Post#34 » by HarlemHeat37 » Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:54 pm

who's Chris Duhon?..
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Post#35 » by Scalabrine » Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:27 pm

Why does it matter if its a product of the system. Not every point guard can do what Duhon has done so far this season and when comparing him this season to other point guards this season he has been better than many of them.

Who else is laughing at the Celtics fans saying Duhon is a product of the system then claiming Rondo is better. Duhon on the Celtics would be WAY better than Rondo on the Knicks. Anyone disagree with that?
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Re: Chris Duhon, Quietly the 2nd Best PG in the East? 

Post#36 » by MVP16 » Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:09 pm

Scalabrine wrote:Why does it matter if its a product of the system. Not every point guard can do what Duhon has done so far this season and when comparing him this season to other point guards this season he has been better than many of them.

Who else is laughing at the Celtics fans saying Duhon is a product of the system then claiming Rondo is better. Duhon on the Celtics would be WAY better than Rondo on the Knicks. Anyone disagree with that?


I do. Rondo playing with the Knicks = tons of triple doubles. He averages about 5 rebounds on the Celtics with KG/Perkins/Powe/Pierce to contend with. On the Knicks it's just David Lee and he would probably be able to pull down 7-8 rebounds (especially playing Duhon's minutes). He would also get 8-9 assists and maybe 14 points too just by being surrounded by shooters and having the luxury of having the ball in his hands all the time.

If you project Rondo's numbers right now to the minutes that Duhon is getting, it would be: 13.2 points, 9.7 assists, 6.3 rebounds and 2.9 steals. Then realizing that New York has the fastest pace in the league and Boston is 19th, pace adjust Rondo's numbers to New York's pace: 14.1 points, 10.4 assists, 6.8 rebounds and 3.1 steals. So you get the picture - Duhon gets to play 40 minutes/game on the fastest paced team in the league; that means his stats are really inflated.
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Re: Chris Duhon, Quietly the 2nd Best PG in the East? 

Post#37 » by Farm Raid » Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:55 pm

Scalabrine wrote:Why does it matter if its a product of the system.


Why?

Because...


Not every point guard can do what Duhon has done so far this season


'System' means many could. I mean, that's exactly what people mean when they say his stats are inflated because of the system. But no, not every point guard can do what Duhon is doing, but that's not the question. The question isn't "Is Duhon the wost PG in the NBA?", which would imply that absolutely every PG could do what he's doing. The question is "Is he the 2nd best PG in East?" So when people say "It's the system" they mean that several other PGs in the East could, in fact, do what he's doing.
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Re: Chris Duhon, Quietly the 2nd Best PG in the East? 

Post#38 » by TAI8 » Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:00 pm

:lol: :lol:

Just another classic example of a player being made in Mike D's system.
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Re: Chris Duhon, Quietly the 2nd Best PG in the East? 

Post#39 » by method » Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:50 am

Farm Raid wrote:Either he got a lot better in his 5th NBA season and after turning 26 (very unlikely), or he's a product of a system and a team (also sounds unlikely).

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Isnt this Devins 5th season?
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Re: Chris Duhon, Quietly the 2nd Best PG in the East? 

Post#40 » by method » Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:53 am

stopnpop wrote:Nooooo....He is a lot better than ppl think though..he is solid..and the way he is playin hes making a case for top 10 in the east...he is a perfect back up pg...which he will be as soon as Nash goes to nyk
If Nash comes to the Knicks at 36 he will be Duhons backup,believe that.
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