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Re: Shams: Growing Tension in Hawks Locker Room 

Post#41 » by jayu70 » Tue Dec 27, 2022 3:30 pm

atlantabbq99 wrote:^ Travis Schlenk's entire career is going to be based on the Luke/Trae trade. Just like how Billy Knight's whole career is based on drafting Marvin over CP3.

I wouldn't mind seeing a Trae trade, but Schlenk is not smart enough to know when he made a mistake.

Schlenk is no longer the GM or PoBO. This will now fall to Landry Fields.
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Post#42 » by dms269 » Tue Dec 27, 2022 3:35 pm

At the end of the day, several things need to change. We need a new coach who can better fit these players. Nate isn't it. Secondly, Trae needs to adapt and develop. He needs to learn to play off-ball more and work with who we have.

If those don't happen then the team needs to change. Whether that is moving Trae or blow up everyone else.

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Post#43 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Dec 30, 2022 2:49 pm

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It's starting to feel like changes are inevitable for the Atlanta Hawks between now and February 9's trade deadline.

Beyond going 4-8 in its last 12 games, Atlanta has a season-long point differential that's below zero when Trae Young is on the floor. The face of the franchise for the past half-decade is suddenly in trade rumors too.

"Rival executives in attendance at the NBA's annual G League Winter Showcase are of the belief that Atlanta Hawks star point guard Trae Young could be the next player on a rookie max extension to request a trade if the team doesn't make inroads come postseason time," Bleacher Report's Chris Haynes recently reported.

There are a lot of qualifiers in there, but any whiff of a Trae trade would've seemed impossible a few years ago.

There are less drastic moves to make, including the years-long rumored trade of John Collins. If Atlanta stays on this track much longer, the front office will have to seriously consider making them.
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Post#44 » by dms269 » Fri Dec 30, 2022 7:47 pm

If they make major changes to the roster while keeping Nate on the roster, then I am convinced the team isn't pushing to win and is more about being complacent. Reminds me of the late 2000s/early 2010 Hawks. 4-7 seed bound for the foreseeable future.

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Post#45 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Dec 30, 2022 8:01 pm

dms269 wrote:If they make major changes to the roster while keeping Nate on the roster, then I am convinced the team isn't pushing to win and is more about being complacent. Reminds me of the late 2000s/early 2010 Hawks. 4-7 seed bound for the foreseeable future.


Have you GA folks heard anymore theories into Travis suddenly stepping away from the team?

Was it a firing? Demotion?
All this stuff is clearly related but I haven't been able to figure what is what?

I maintain that Schlenk had little choice but to hire Nate FT after leading us to the ECF. That move always had an expiration date. But 18 months later it's mind-blowing that so much seems to be falling apart.
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Post#46 » by jayu70 » Sat Dec 31, 2022 12:40 am

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dms269 wrote:If they make major changes to the roster while keeping Nate on the roster, then I am convinced the team isn't pushing to win and is more about being complacent. Reminds me of the late 2000s/early 2010 Hawks. 4-7 seed bound for the foreseeable future.


Have you GA folks heard anymore theories into Travis suddenly stepping away from the team?

Was it a firing? Demotion?
All this stuff is clearly related but I haven't been able to figure what is what?

I maintain that Schlenk had little choice but to hire Nate FT after leading us to the ECF. That move always had an expiration date. But 18 months later it's mind-blowing that so much seems to be falling apart.


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Nate will either resign or be let go at the end of the season barring a miracle second half finish and strong playoff run. Landry wants to bring in his own guy.

What isn't being reported is three front office people are also gone now. Rod Higgins, Stephen Giles and Derek Pierce. Giles was head of our pro scouting department and Piece is well regarded as a scout around the league.

The Hawks situation is frankly ugly. There's no putting a happy picture on this. Travis is basically gone, Nate wants out because he's tired of butting heads with Trae and the refusal to pay the LT so he has a better bench and Fields wants his own people in place. On top of that JC and his people have told the Hawks to either trade him or make it clear he's staying because he's tired of having his name out there in trade talks.

We have been showcasing JC but in doing so Fields is now wondering why Nate can't make JC more a part of the offense. Nate is basically a lame duck coach at this point and his not calling that time out making national news as a terrible coaching decision was what was described to me by my source as the last straw.

So unless this team really brings it together and makes it to at least the second round of the playoffs Nate will be let go. Assuming, ofc, he doesn't simply walk away at some point before then.
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Post#47 » by Jamaaliver » Sat Dec 31, 2022 2:08 am

jayu70 wrote:So unless this team really brings it together and makes it to at least the second round of the playoffs Nate will be let go. Assuming, ofc, he doesn't simply walk away at some point before then.


Fascinating!

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Post#48 » by D21 » Sat Dec 31, 2022 2:35 am

Would like to know why Rod Higgins, Stephen Giles and Derek Pierce are gone.
These three, and Schlenk changing job, they indirectly all hide themselves a bit, and the foul can only be now on McMillan or Ressler, but fact is that even if I don't like McMillan coaching, he has a lot of reasons to be frustrated because if not last season, Ressler should have pay the Luxury Tax. In the end, a lot is on him, but it will all be on McMillan in the media

It's such a soap opera that we can even imagine now that Murray defending McMillan regarding the time out comes from Murray being happy with McMillan as a coach because he and Trae has all the balls, so he has more chance to be All-Star again with McMillan than with a coach that makes share the ball more :D
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Post#49 » by jayu70 » Sat Dec 31, 2022 1:35 pm

D21 wrote:Would like to know why Rod Higgins, Stephen Giles and Derek Pierce are gone.
These three, and Schlenk changing job, they indirectly all hide themselves a bit, and the foul can only be now on McMillan or Ressler, but fact is that even if I don't like McMillan coaching, he has a lot of reasons to be frustrated because if not last season, Ressler should have pay the Luxury Tax. In the end, a lot is on him, but it will all be on McMillan in the media


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Fields wants his own people in place. He wants to "un Travis" pieces he thinks he can upgrade.
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Post#50 » by Geaux_Hawks » Sat Dec 31, 2022 4:58 pm

I don't think this situation is as big as we're making it out to be. For one, Ressler has made it apparent that he will not make the mistake of being complacent. So if he really wanted Travis gone, he'd be fired already.

This all sems like something that had been discussed and planned already, due to Travis truely having personal things going on, and Ressler respects that, but doesn't want Travis to just leave the team.

The idea seemed to be to give the GM role to Fields, and then mentor him for PoBo. So as a Sr. Advisor, Travis can still provide input to Fields.

I'm shocked Pierce was let go, but I can see the argument for Fields wanting his own guys in these roles. Seems like Fields wants more high upside guys(JJ & AJ) vs high floor guys(Collins, Hunter). Maybe Fields has a way to scout those type of players better.

Now how does this all shake out for Nate? Well that depends on what kind of time frame he was afforded by the FO and Ressler before all this happened.

The news coming out is, Shams bent the truth to fit the narrative of what's all going on currently. I've read Nate may have made comments on possibly retiring at the end of the year, but nothing set in stone. Just more like crossing that bridge when they get there talk. Koonin on 92.9 kinda supported this in calling Shams out for trash journalism. I'd assume he meant spinning the truth into something else. That's just me trying to read in between the lines, as he didn't quite say the talks of resignation didn't happen. He was just on Shams head.

So, in the end, we'll get a "shake up", and it will likely trend more towards a completely modern approach. I think that's why Fields has been coveted and groomed up to this point.
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Post#51 » by HMFFL » Sat Dec 31, 2022 9:53 pm

As I flew to Atlanta today for the Georgia game I couldn't help about thinking how bad of a situation our team is in. This season could be a wash depending on how Fields plays his cards.

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Re: Shams: Growing Tension in Hawks Locker Room 

Post#52 » by jayu70 » Sun Jan 1, 2023 1:03 pm

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D21 wrote:Would like to know why Rod Higgins, Stephen Giles and Derek Pierce are gone.
These three, and Schlenk changing job, they indirectly all hide themselves a bit, and the foul can only be now on McMillan or Ressler, but fact is that even if I don't like McMillan coaching, he has a lot of reasons to be frustrated because if not last season, Ressler should have pay the Luxury Tax. In the end, a lot is on him, but it will all be on McMillan in the media


Answer:
Fields wants his own people in place. He wants to "un Travis" pieces he thinks he can upgrade.


Follow up:
.......director of scouting Stephen Giles also has been moved aside, and Grant Liffman — a scout hired last summer and Fields' college roommate — has been promoted, though the exact details of his new role were not known.
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Post#53 » by tbhawksfan1 » Mon Jan 2, 2023 10:50 am

Looks like we have a bunch of twenty something year olds running the team now. This has all the makings of a power struggle with Schlenk out and Nick Ressler and his young buddies in
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Post#54 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Jan 2, 2023 5:55 pm

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During his relatively brief career, Trae Young has been one of those rare players capable of elevating his team's offense by himself. The Atlanta Hawks finished second in scoring efficiency last year and ninth the year before. Even when their overall offensive performance has underwhelmed, like when they finished 26th in 2019-20 or 25th in 2018-19 (Young's rookie season), it has been in spite of the point guard's massive positive impact.

His presence on the floor has improved the Hawks' attack by huge margins in every season of his career. Last year, Young became the first player to lead the league in total points and assists since 1973.

And yet...the Hawks find themselves in a position where they have to ask whether Young is the right player to build around.

Clashes with both coaches for whom he's played, simmering tensions with top teammates, a failure to adjust his playing style to accommodate Dejounte Murray (or anyone else) and now rumors of a potential down-the-road trade request should have Atlanta making an honest top-down evaluation.

If it's true that the best path forward does not involve Young as the team's centerpiece, it'd be far better to act a little too early than a little too late.
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