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Re: Anthony Davis? 

Post#21 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Oct 27, 2022 6:25 pm

atlantabbq99 wrote:AD has been a beast on defense in the last 4 games, 3 steals per game and 2.5 blocks per game.

Problem with AD is he is shooting 17% from three. He is the worst version of Josh Smith when it comes to 3pt shooting and outside jumpshots.



I'm with bbq on this one. Collins has been really good, but...

Great players win championships.

Anthony Davis has 4 All Defense Team selections and 4 All NBA selections. Those are Hall of Fame credentials.

My concern would be injury history -- that's the real gamble. But a frontcourt of Capela/A Davis/Okongwu shou7ld be talented enough to go toe-to-toe with Giannis or Embiid.
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Re: Anthony Davis? 

Post#22 » by jayu70 » Thu Oct 27, 2022 6:38 pm

knowing what you know about Day-to-Dayvis and see this...
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Re: Anthony Davis? 

Post#23 » by D21 » Fri Oct 28, 2022 1:04 am

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atlantabbq99 wrote:I'm totally shocked with the Lakers right now...

Should the Hawks go ahead and offer Collins for AD? Would do the trade straight up?


Would you except him to run back after a TO and make a block like John did Vs DET?
I don't and saw that since last season, Davis is playing almost no defense.

It would be a big mistake to trade John for this guy, and as he cost more, there's a chance we end up with less depth.
Absolute NO for me


AD has been a beast on defense in the last 4 games, 3 steals per game and 2.5 blocks per game.

Problem with AD is he is shooting 17% from three. He is the worst version of Josh Smith when it comes to 3pt shooting and outside jumpshots.


I admit that I was more talking about previous seasons than this current one, and that it's not "no defense" but that he was far away of a constant effort, and that his defense was overrated.
I never understand why they were always talking about LeBron as offensive king and Davis as a defensive player of the year because it was exactly the opposite, LeBron had always a better defensive impact than Davis, it was easy to see. Davis bring some highlights in personal defense, but LeBron had better defensive impact once you had the collective part of the defense.

Now, Davis bringing more than Collins? good chance
Making the team better? Not sure at all, because he would kill the balance of the team which is already not perfect at all, and I'm not sure if he can play the same number of games than Collins
194 games played these last 4 seasons
239 games for Collins
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Re: Anthony Davis? 

Post#24 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:23 pm

Proposed Trade: Hawks Go All-in for Anthony Davis

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Atlanta Hawks Receive: F/C Anthony Davis

Los Angeles Lakers Receive: F/C John Collins, C Onyeka Okongwu, G/F Justin Holiday, 2023 first-round pick (lottery-protected), 2024 first-round pick (lottery-protected, via Sacramento Kings)

An 8-5 start to the season has the Hawks just below teams like the Milwaukee Bucks and Boston Celtics for the best in the East. Adding a premier two-way talent like Davis would elevate Atlanta to the top of the conference for good.

If the Lakers continue their spiral, teams should be monitoring the availability of Davis, who's averaging 23.1 points, 10.5 rebounds, 2.5 assists, 1.5 steals and 2.0 blocks this season. Atlanta would be an ideal fit, both with its never-ending quest to add defense around Trae Young and the Klutch connection that links Davis, Young and Dejounte Murray.

A starting five of Young, Murray, De'Andre Hunter, Davis and Clint Capela may be the best in the East.

Of course, the Lakers aren't going to trade Davis for just prospects and draft picks and will need some win-now talent back in return.

Collins, 25, should thrive as a lob threat and floor-spacer in a larger role in L.A. He's a lifetime 37.2 percent shooter from three and has worked his way into being a better defender in year six. A former 21.6 point-per-game scorer, he could once again put up 20 and 10 a night playing next to LeBron James.

Okongwu, an L.A. native and USC product, would become the Lakers' starting center and has elite defensive potential. Per 36 minutes of play this season, the 21-year-old is putting up 15.1 points, 10.2 rebounds and 1.5 blocks and making 67.2 percent of his shots. Okongwu could break out with a starting job with the Lakers and Holiday is a solid three-and-D veteran who Los Angeles could use as well.

With Bleacher Report's Chris Haynes reporting that the Lakers are known to covet Bradley Beal, L.A. now has four first-round picks they can offer the Washington Wizards for the All-Star shooting guard.

As good as Davis is, the Lakers are going nowhere with him. This is a chance to reset the roster around James, adding in more youth, shooting and trade assets overall.
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Re: Anthony Davis? 

Post#25 » by D21 » Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:29 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
Proposed Trade: Hawks Go All-in for Anthony Davis

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Atlanta Hawks Receive: F/C Anthony Davis

Los Angeles Lakers Receive: F/C John Collins, C Onyeka Okongwu, G/F Justin Holiday, 2023 first-round pick (lottery-protected), 2024 first-round pick (lottery-protected, via Sacramento Kings)

An 8-5 start to the season has the Hawks just below teams like the Milwaukee Bucks and Boston Celtics for the best in the East. Adding a premier two-way talent like Davis would elevate Atlanta to the top of the conference for good.

If the Lakers continue their spiral, teams should be monitoring the availability of Davis, who's averaging 23.1 points, 10.5 rebounds, 2.5 assists, 1.5 steals and 2.0 blocks this season. Atlanta would be an ideal fit, both with its never-ending quest to add defense around Trae Young and the Klutch connection that links Davis, Young and Dejounte Murray.

A starting five of Young, Murray, De'Andre Hunter, Davis and Clint Capela may be the best in the East.

Of course, the Lakers aren't going to trade Davis for just prospects and draft picks and will need some win-now talent back in return.

Collins, 25, should thrive as a lob threat and floor-spacer in a larger role in L.A. He's a lifetime 37.2 percent shooter from three and has worked his way into being a better defender in year six. A former 21.6 point-per-game scorer, he could once again put up 20 and 10 a night playing next to LeBron James.

Okongwu, an L.A. native and USC product, would become the Lakers' starting center and has elite defensive potential. Per 36 minutes of play this season, the 21-year-old is putting up 15.1 points, 10.2 rebounds and 1.5 blocks and making 67.2 percent of his shots. Okongwu could break out with a starting job with the Lakers and Holiday is a solid three-and-D veteran who Los Angeles could use as well.

With Bleacher Report's Chris Haynes reporting that the Lakers are known to covet Bradley Beal, L.A. now has four first-round picks they can offer the Washington Wizards for the All-Star shooting guard.

As good as Davis is, the Lakers are going nowhere with him. This is a chance to reset the roster around James, adding in more youth, shooting and trade assets overall.
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The problem with this king of trade is that if we see AD last night, yes, it looks great, but:
- he was the main offensive guy, and would it the case here with Trae and Murray running the show?
We saw that Collins takes 8 shots only the last games...
- LAK don't have Capela, so he's free in the paint to do what he wants to do, not sure it would work like that here

The main problem with AD is that he can have a higher impact when he plays C, but he don't like it, except if he's the main option (no LeBron last night).
Trading for him might to even better if Capela was included instead of Collins, but no way we're trading both Capela and Okongwu
A C/PF rotation with AD/Collins/Okongwu would allow to play sometimes with a C able to shoot 3s, and if we have to make a trade on our frontcourt, it's something I absolutely want, because it's an option we will always miss against some teams.
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Re: Anthony Davis? 

Post#26 » by atlantabbq99 » Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:04 am

Hawks are a great playoff team, but with the current roster, I don't see them as a championship team.

AD's injuries are a huge concern......

Hawks will have to give up alot but I don't see them getting pass the Bucks or Celtics unless they add a legit super star like AD or Durant or Butler.
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Post#27 » by D21 » Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:10 pm

atlantabbq99 wrote:Hawks are a great playoff team, but with the current roster, I don't see them as a championship team.

AD's injuries are a huge concern......

Hawks will have to give up alot but I don't see them getting pass the Bucks or Celtics unless they add a legit super star like AD or Durant or Butler.


So how did they succeed to reach the ECF, and be on the verge to reach the NBA Finals with a roster that was already supposed to not be good enough compared to the other teams, and while having more injured players than the other teams ?

Yes, you can think that they should have improve, like BOS look better now, CLE a lot better now (not so sure for MIL or other teams), but at this moment, we don't know this team, we need to see a stretch with all players available, Bogi has not played a game yet.

The only thing that I fear is not "having a guy like Durant or AD", is being beaten because not being able, when needed, to spread the floor enough like BOS can with Horford, MIL can with Lopez... we have two centers not shooting any 3pts shot.

And we don't have to get a top guy like Durant or AD to fix this problem.
If we trade several players just to improve from Collins to AD, are we better than if we keep the other players and just trade Collins for a C that can shot 3s?
In fact, we can't have 3 centers so it would be more Capela or Okongwu instead of Collins

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I'm only talking about the roster, because the main problem I see is still how Nate runs this roster
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Re: Anthony Davis? 

Post#28 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Nov 23, 2022 2:35 pm

jayu70 wrote:knowing what you know about Day-to-Dayvis and see this...
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Yes. Good players win games in this league.

Great players win titles.

And Anthony Davis is a great player.

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Post#29 » by Jamaaliver » Sat Dec 3, 2022 4:58 pm

jayu70 wrote:knowing what you know about Day-to-Dayvis and see this...
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...you'd take that chance?


Yes.

And games like this are exactly why.

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We'd be the favorites in any playoff series with Trae, Dejounte and Davis onboard...
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Post#30 » by Jamaaliver » Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:20 pm

jayu70 wrote:knowing what you know about Day-to-Dayvis and see this...
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...you'd take that chance?


:banghead:

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Re: Anthony Davis? 

Post#31 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Nov 17, 2023 1:43 pm

Lakers need to send us Anthony Davis already.

Trae will have that dude eating every game.

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Re: Anthony Davis? 

Post#32 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Dec 13, 2023 7:34 pm

Hall of Fame credentials

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Post#33 » by HMFFL » Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:22 am

Anthony Davis doesn't seem to have much passion for the game. I think a change would do him some good but he probably stays a Laker.

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Re: Anthony Davis? 

Post#34 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Feb 13, 2025 5:43 pm

I'm sure you guys have heard the chaos coming out of the Dallas Mavericks organization over the past few weeks.
It's only gotten worse in recent days with fans being kicked out of the arena for booing the GM and berating ownership.

I imagine Kyrie Irving will opt out this summer in search of a better, more stable situation -- which would leave Dallas with a serious need to rebuild from scratch.

Any thoughts on kicking the tires on an Anthony Davis trade this summer?

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Post#35 » by HMFFL » Fri Feb 14, 2025 11:54 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:I'm sure you guys have heard the chaos coming out of the Dallas Mavericks organization over the past few weeks.
It's only gotten worse in recent days with fans being kicked out of the arena for booing the GM and berating ownership.

I imagine Kyrie Irving will opt out this summer in search of a better, more stable situation -- which would leave Dallas with a serious need to rebuild from scratch.

Any thoughts on kicking the tires on an Anthony Davis trade this summer?

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Yes, I expect Kyrie to leave this off-season by opting out or by S&T. I then expect Anthony Davis to eventually request out. All this should happen quickly unless Nico has plans to make a big splash. Nico has proven that he doesn't know what he's doing, the KP trade, Brunson, Luka, and being the reason why Steph Curry passed on Nike. He falls short of acquiring max value.

Kyrie will probably end his silence and go public about how big of an idiot Nico and the ownership are. Kyrie has been nothing but a professional in Dallas.

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