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Re: Is Trae Young on the way out? 

Post#21 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Mar 12, 2025 4:19 pm

Geaux_Hawks wrote:You're right. it's a capable supporting cast for.... Trae Young. We should've had a group of guys like this around Trae a long time ago. The quartet mentioned above is just oozing with talent and upside. The fit is also strong. Add Levert, Mann, and Niang off the bench with Mo improving and a legit 7 footer, and we're a well round team with depth.



Yep.

Let's just hope TY feels that way this summer.

If Trae Young declines to sign an extension going into the final year of his current contract...the Hawks might have no choice than to trade him now rather than risk him walking away for no value.
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Re: Is Trae Young on the way out? 

Post#22 » by Geaux_Hawks » Wed Mar 12, 2025 4:44 pm

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Geaux_Hawks wrote:You're right. it's a capable supporting cast for.... Trae Young. We should've had a group of guys like this around Trae a long time ago. The quartet mentioned above is just oozing with talent and upside. The fit is also strong. Add Levert, Mann, and Niang off the bench with Mo improving and a legit 7 footer, and we're a well round team with depth.



Yep.

Let's just hope TY feels that way this summer.

If Trae Young declines to sign an extension going into the final year of his current contract...the Hawks might have no choice than to trade him now rather than risk him walking away for no value.


If we can finish strong in the regular season, and make some noise in the first round at least without having JJ, I think it will give Trae something to consider moving forward. I think Quin has given not only the team a direction, but also Trae an idea of what can materialize once things come into form.
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Re: Is Trae Young on the way out? 

Post#23 » by HMFFL » Wed Mar 12, 2025 6:15 pm

Trae leaving will be disappointing since he creates for his teammates but he's a big negative in other areas.

Will he want the supermax? If he does I have my doubts that we pay it.

Dyson Daniels is always an option at point and has the ability to play both the 1 & 2.

Dyson Daniels, Jalen Johnson, and Zaccharie Risacher do get me excited. If Trae decides he doesn't want to be part of it long-term, so be it.

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Re: Is Trae Young on the way out? 

Post#24 » by jayu70 » Wed Mar 12, 2025 11:30 pm

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jayu70 wrote:a 4 game sample size? sure?
It's easy on a random night over 82 games. Entirely different over the course of a season when teams can game plan and make you a more focal point. Hawks still struggle when Trae sits. I'd be more convinced if we see this level of play on a continual basis over the last 17 or so games when Trae sits.


I was thinking the overall talent level.

Okongwu-Jalen-Risacher-Dyson is a capable supporting cast.

Levert-Mann are great vets to fill in off the bench.

Plus 2 draftees this summer
Plus Kobe in Year 3
Plus whatever haul we get for Trae Young.

I'm not advocating for us to part ways...yet.
But the franchise won't fall apart sans Trae and their own draft picks.


You're right. it's a capable supporting cast for.... Trae Young. We should've had a group of guys like this around Trae a long time ago. The quartet mentioned above is just oozing with talent and upside. The fit is also strong. Add Levert, Mann, and Niang off the bench with Mo improving and a legit 7 footer, and we're a well round team with depth.

It wasn't for lack of trying: drafting long lengthy wings in Reddish and Hunter, shooter in Huerter. They just didn't level up as expected. Then we went from that model.with the DJ trade.....then of course, you need to add coaching to that equation. The right coach is important.
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Re: Is Trae Young on the way out? 

Post#25 » by jayu70 » Wed Mar 12, 2025 11:34 pm

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Geaux_Hawks wrote:You're right. it's a capable supporting cast for.... Trae Young. We should've had a group of guys like this around Trae a long time ago. The quartet mentioned above is just oozing with talent and upside. The fit is also strong. Add Levert, Mann, and Niang off the bench with Mo improving and a legit 7 footer, and we're a well round team with depth.



Yep.

Let's just hope TY feels that way this summer.

If Trae Young declines to sign an extension going into the final year of his current contract...the Hawks might have no choice than to trade him now rather than risk him walking away for no value.


If we can finish strong in the regular season, and make some noise in the first round at least without having JJ, I think it will give Trae something to consider moving forward. I think Quin has given not only the team a direction, but also Trae an idea of what can materialize once things come into form.

Trae seems to be in a good place based on this. I think there just needs to be a very specific plan that's laid out for him to feel we are headed in the right direction.


Trae Young Talks the Art of the Assist and Future in Atlanta
https://www.slamonline.com/the-magazine/slam-254/trae-young-talks-the-art-of-the-assist-and-future-in-atlanta/

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Re: Is Trae Young on the way out? 

Post#26 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Mar 20, 2025 1:29 pm

Hawks face make-or-break Trae Young decision this summer

With Trae Young's contract extension looming, the Hawks have a tough decision to make

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The Atlanta Hawks are approaching a crossroads with Trae Young. Next season marks the final guaranteed year of Young’s contract before he holds a player option for the 2026-27 season.

Since their Eastern Conference Finals run in 2020-21, the Hawks have been in NBA purgatory. They haven't made it past the first round of the playoffs since 2021, and they are currently in danger of missing the postseason for the third straight year.

Atlanta’s current roster is simply not built to contend with the Eastern Conference’s best teams. To make it worse, the Hawks do not control their next four first-round draft picks, limiting their ability to rebuild through the draft.

Given these challenges, speculation has grown that Young may become discontent with the franchise. While the Hawks are far from contention, Young has reportedly remained focused on winning:

With so much uncertainty in Atlanta, the organization must carefully consider their next move with Young. The franchise has three primary options.

Option 1: Extend Trae Young this summer
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Beyond concerns about Young's performance being worthy of $200+ million, an extension for Young put Atlanta in an unfavorable position. Jalen Johnson is set to earn $30 million next season, and Dyson Daniels will likely earn a significant extension this summer. While the Hawks could afford to keep all three, doing so would severely limit their ability to maintain and build a good supporting cast.

Barring major roster changes, committing another massive contract to Young could hinder the team’s ability to construct a balanced, championship-caliber roster.
Option 2: Deal Trae Young sooner rather than later
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While Young remains under contract through at least next season, the Hawks would benefit from getting ahead of the situation. If Atlanta believes Young will eventually request a trade, moving him before this becomes public knowledge would allow them to maximize his trade value.

The Hawks already have a promising young core in place. Zaccharie Risacher, Onyeka Okongwu, Dyson Daniels, and Jalen Johnson are all under 25, and most of them are on team-friendly contracts. Trading Young could allow Atlanta to improve their roster with additional role players and replenish its collection of first-round draft picks.
Option 3: Let the situation play out
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The third option would be the "wait-and-see" approach. Young still has another guaranteed year on his contract, and the Hawks could see how the next season unfolds before making a move.

If Young remains committed to Atlanta and they somehow find a way to improve their roster, the extension would be a no-brainer. Alternatively, if Atlanta is still directionless by next off-season, the Hawks and Young could follow a similar path to James Harden's departure from Philadelphia.

When Harden wanted to leave the 76ers, he picked up his player option rather than signing with another team. This move allowed the 76ers to trade him instead of losing him for nothing in free agency. Eventually, the 76ers found a suitable trade with the Clippers, ultimately maximizing their return for Harden.

Of course, relying on this method would carry significant risk. There is no guarantee that Young would cooperate with Atlanta in the same way Harden did with Philadelphia. By gambling on the situation, Atlanta could open the possibility of losing their franchise star for no return. Moreover, if Young had a poor campaign in the 2025-2026 season - or went down with injury - Atlanta would get a much worse return.
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Re: Is Trae Young on the way out? 

Post#27 » by jayu70 » Thu Mar 20, 2025 3:08 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
Hawks face make-or-break Trae Young decision this summer

With Trae Young's contract extension looming, the Hawks have a tough decision to make

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The Atlanta Hawks are approaching a crossroads with Trae Young. Next season marks the final guaranteed year of Young’s contract before he holds a player option for the 2026-27 season.

Since their Eastern Conference Finals run in 2020-21, the Hawks have been in NBA purgatory. They haven't made it past the first round of the playoffs since 2021, and they are currently in danger of missing the postseason for the third straight year.

Atlanta’s current roster is simply not built to contend with the Eastern Conference’s best teams. To make it worse, the Hawks do not control their next four first-round draft picks, limiting their ability to rebuild through the draft.

Given these challenges, speculation has grown that Young may become discontent with the franchise. While the Hawks are far from contention, Young has reportedly remained focused on winning:

With so much uncertainty in Atlanta, the organization must carefully consider their next move with Young. The franchise has three primary options.

Next Four 1st round picks???? :nonono: never was 4 1st round picks
Besides, since we are talking offseason/next season - Hawks will be on the hook for a remaining 2 picks: the pick swap in 2026 and the 2027 1st.
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Re: Is Trae Young on the way out? 

Post#28 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Mar 20, 2025 3:24 pm

jayu70 wrote:Next Four 1st round picks???? :nonono: never was 4 1st round picks

Besides, since we are talking offseason/next season - Hawks will be on the hook for a remaining 2 picks: the pick swap in 2026 and the 2027 1st.


Yeah, it probably should just read next 3 first round picks.

The writer clearly didn't recognize that one of the 4 firsts we gave up was a conditional pick from Charlotte...

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Re: Is Trae Young on the way out? 

Post#29 » by jayu70 » Thu Mar 20, 2025 3:40 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
jayu70 wrote:Next Four 1st round picks???? :nonono: never was 4 1st round picks

Besides, since we are talking offseason/next season - Hawks will be on the hook for a remaining 2 picks: the pick swap in 2026 and the 2027 1st.


Yeah, it probably should just read next 3 first round picks.

The writer clearly didn't recognize that one of the 4 firsts we gave up was a conditional pick from Charlotte...

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It should really say the next two picks, since he's talking about building thru the draft if we move on from Trae this offseason. For me it's about future drafts after Trae.
This year is over. The Kings pick as it stands today is actually better that our own pick to SAS plus the added incoming LAL pick. So our 2025 draft allotment is 'stable' even though we gave up an unprotected pick. (that is of course provided we keep playing well and the Kings pick confers)
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Re: Is Trae Young on the way out? 

Post#30 » by jayu70 » Sun Mar 23, 2025 3:21 pm

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Re: Is Trae Young on the way out? 

Post#31 » by Jamaaliver » Sun Mar 23, 2025 3:30 pm

jayu70 wrote:
Spoiler:
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A) Lou Will has been beating this drum for a couple of years now...and he's not wrong.

B) I'm losing faith in Jalen to consistently be that guy.

C) I'm expecting Landry to make a decision (and a decisive move) this summer.




NOTE:
It does feel like we're on the verge of something big, though.
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Re: Is Trae Young on the way out? 

Post#32 » by jayu70 » Sun Mar 23, 2025 5:17 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
jayu70 wrote:
Spoiler:
Read on Twitter


A) Lou Will has been beating this drum for a couple of years now...and he's not wrong.

B) I'm losing faith in Jalen to consistently be that guy.

C) I'm expecting Landry to make a decision (and a decisive move) this summer.




NOTE:
It does feel like we're on the verge of something big, though.

A) Indeed
B) With JJ's $30 mil kicking in next season he needs to play 70+ games next season.
C) I would like to think so. We have $34 under the Luxury Tax to spend if all FAs are renounced and we keep our 2 picks. So that's 2 slots 'available' to fill. I think we might trade one of the picks along with a player for an upgrade somewhere (or at least I hope we do).
Kobe and 1st = ?
TMann and 1st = ?
Niang and 1st = ?
$25.2 mil TPE and 1st = ?
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Re: Is Trae Young on the way out? 

Post#33 » by Slim Charless » Sun Mar 23, 2025 7:53 pm

HMFFL wrote:Trae leaving will be disappointing since he creates for his teammates but he's a big negative in other areas.

Will he want the supermax? If he does I have my doubts that we pay it.

Dyson Daniels is always an option at point and has the ability to play both the 1 & 2.

Dyson Daniels, Jalen Johnson, and Zaccharie Risacher do get me excited. If Trae decides he doesn't want to be part of it long-term, so be it.

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Geaux_Hawks wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:
I was thinking the overall talent level.

Okongwu-Jalen-Risacher-Dyson is a capable supporting cast.

Levert-Mann are great vets to fill in off the bench.

Plus 2 draftees this summer
Plus Kobe in Year 3
Plus whatever haul we get for Trae Young.

I'm not advocating for us to part ways...yet.
But the franchise won't fall apart sans Trae and their own draft picks.


You're right. it's a capable supporting cast for.... Trae Young. We should've had a group of guys like this around Trae a long time ago. The quartet mentioned above is just oozing with talent and upside. The fit is also strong. Add Levert, Mann, and Niang off the bench with Mo improving and a legit 7 footer, and we're a well round team with depth.

It wasn't for lack of trying: drafting long lengthy wings in Reddish and Hunter, shooter in Huerter. They just didn't level up as expected. Then we went from that model.with the DJ trade.....then of course, you need to add coaching to that equation. The right coach is important.


Hey Suns fan reading along in this thread as I've posted a swap idea in our forum. What would you guys think of a Trae for Booker deal?

We need a PG and you guys can play Dyson there with Booker being off ball. Was just curious.
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Re: Is Trae Young on the way out? 

Post#34 » by HMFFL » Mon Mar 24, 2025 11:51 pm

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HMFFL wrote:Trae leaving will be disappointing since he creates for his teammates but he's a big negative in other areas.

Will he want the supermax? If he does I have my doubts that we pay it.

Dyson Daniels is always an option at point and has the ability to play both the 1 & 2.

Dyson Daniels, Jalen Johnson, and Zaccharie Risacher do get me excited. If Trae decides he doesn't want to be part of it long-term, so be it.

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You're right. it's a capable supporting cast for.... Trae Young. We should've had a group of guys like this around Trae a long time ago. The quartet mentioned above is just oozing with talent and upside. The fit is also strong. Add Levert, Mann, and Niang off the bench with Mo improving and a legit 7 footer, and we're a well round team with depth.

It wasn't for lack of trying: drafting long lengthy wings in Reddish and Hunter, shooter in Huerter. They just didn't level up as expected. Then we went from that model.with the DJ trade.....then of course, you need to add coaching to that equation. The right coach is important.


Hey Suns fan reading along in this thread as I've posted a swap idea in our forum. What would you guys think of a Trae for Booker deal?

We need a PG and you guys can play Dyson there with Booker being off ball. Was just curious.
I doubt Phoenix intends on moving Booker.

I also doubt Atlanta is moving Trae Young. We should know more next season because his player option is in 26/27. I doubt we give him the supermax but we'll see what happens and how the offseason & start to next season goes.

The present time is bad timing because the team has been winning and Trae appears to be content.

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Re: Is Trae Young on the way out? 

Post#35 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Mar 24, 2025 11:58 pm

HMFFL wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:Hey Suns fan reading along in this thread as I've posted a swap idea in our forum. What would you guys think of a Trae for Booker deal?

We need a PG and you guys can play Dyson there with Booker being off ball. Was just curious.



I doubt Phoenix intends on moving Booker.

I also doubt Atlanta is moving Trae Young. We should know more next season because his player option is in 26/27. I doubt we give him the supermax but we'll see what happens and how the offseason & start to next season goes.

At the present time is bad timing, because the team has been winning, and Trae appears to be content.



On these points, I agree.

My guess is that Trae agrees to an extension with Atlanta this summer based on the roster improvements (and topflight coaching) Atlanta has received of late.

But said extension will just be the team and the player kicking the can down the road on whether or not to continue this relationship.
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Re: Is Trae Young on the way out? 

Post#36 » by CP War Hawks » Tue Mar 25, 2025 12:50 am

Slim Charless wrote:
HMFFL wrote:Trae leaving will be disappointing since he creates for his teammates but he's a big negative in other areas.

Will he want the supermax? If he does I have my doubts that we pay it.

Dyson Daniels is always an option at point and has the ability to play both the 1 & 2.

Dyson Daniels, Jalen Johnson, and Zaccharie Risacher do get me excited. If Trae decides he doesn't want to be part of it long-term, so be it.

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You're right. it's a capable supporting cast for.... Trae Young. We should've had a group of guys like this around Trae a long time ago. The quartet mentioned above is just oozing with talent and upside. The fit is also strong. Add Levert, Mann, and Niang off the bench with Mo improving and a legit 7 footer, and we're a well round team with depth.

It wasn't for lack of trying: drafting long lengthy wings in Reddish and Hunter, shooter in Huerter. They just didn't level up as expected. Then we went from that model.with the DJ trade.....then of course, you need to add coaching to that equation. The right coach is important.


Hey Suns fan reading along in this thread as I've posted a swap idea in our forum. What would you guys think of a Trae for Booker deal?

We need a PG and you guys can play Dyson there with Booker being off ball. Was just curious.


Not sure why Phx would want Trae when they are in position to do a total rebuild. I can actually see KD having Atl on one of his shortlist teams...
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Post#37 » by Slim Charless » Tue Mar 25, 2025 12:59 am

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HMFFL wrote:Trae leaving will be disappointing since he creates for his teammates but he's a big negative in other areas.

Will he want the supermax? If he does I have my doubts that we pay it.

Dyson Daniels is always an option at point and has the ability to play both the 1 & 2.

Dyson Daniels, Jalen Johnson, and Zaccharie Risacher do get me excited. If Trae decides he doesn't want to be part of it long-term, so be it.

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jayu70 wrote:It wasn't for lack of trying: drafting long lengthy wings in Reddish and Hunter, shooter in Huerter. They just didn't level up as expected. Then we went from that model.with the DJ trade.....then of course, you need to add coaching to that equation. The right coach is important.


Hey Suns fan reading along in this thread as I've posted a swap idea in our forum. What would you guys think of a Trae for Booker deal?

We need a PG and you guys can play Dyson there with Booker being off ball. Was just curious.


Not sure why Phx would want Trae when they are in position to do a total rebuild. I can actually see KD having Atl on one of his shortlist teams...


The thought would be that we have a fill in at SG in Beal so then can use Booker as a PG improvement. Also that Durant stays-which is a long shot admittedly. Also, to make the money work, we'd need to add in Greyson Allen and take back Capela

Trae
Beal
Dunn
Durant
Capela

Isn't terrible. Fits better for th3 short term at least.
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Post#38 » by atlantabbq99 » Tue Mar 25, 2025 2:24 am

Hawks should keep Trae, but if they do trade him, it should be for a big. Maybe Sabonis, Markkanen, Sengun, Holmgren?
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Post#39 » by jayu70 » Tue Mar 25, 2025 2:34 am

Slim Charless wrote:
CP War Hawks wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
Hey Suns fan reading along in this thread as I've posted a swap idea in our forum. What would you guys think of a Trae for Booker deal?

We need a PG and you guys can play Dyson there with Booker being off ball. Was just curious.


Not sure why Phx would want Trae when they are in position to do a total rebuild. I can actually see KD having Atl on one of his shortlist teams...


The thought would be that we have a fill in at SG in Beal so then can use Booker as a PG improvement. Also that Durant stays-which is a long shot admittedly. Also, to make the money work, we'd need to add in Greyson Allen and take back Capela

Trae
Beal
Dunn
Durant
Capela

Isn't terrible. Fits better for th3 short term at least.

Booker isn't a #1. His best years was with CP3 and then Durant and making the playoffs.
Hawks would still need a #1.
Yes, I get it, Dyson can play some PG, but do I trust him night in night out as the lead point guard. Nope.
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Re: Is Trae Young on the way out? 

Post#40 » by HMFFL » Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:13 am

jayu70 wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
CP War Hawks wrote:
Not sure why Phx would want Trae when they are in position to do a total rebuild. I can actually see KD having Atl on one of his shortlist teams...


The thought would be that we have a fill in at SG in Beal so then can use Booker as a PG improvement. Also that Durant stays-which is a long shot admittedly. Also, to make the money work, we'd need to add in Greyson Allen and take back Capela

Trae
Beal
Dunn
Durant
Capela

Isn't terrible. Fits better for th3 short term at least.

Booker isn't a #1. His best years was with CP3 and then Durant and making the playoffs.
Hawks would still need a #1.
Yes, I get it, Dyson can play some PG, but do I trust him night in night out as the lead point guard. Nope.
I agree, he's not a #1.

Many will disagree, but he doesn't raise his teammates to another level, and frankly, he just seems too content. He seems to like Phoenix, he said he wants to stay, and he could be a legend for him, if he stays.

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