Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV

Post #1141 » by **HMFFL** » Sun May 18, 2025 7:51 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
HMFFL wrote:Sixers Expected To Listen To Offers For No. 3 Overall Pick

Would you guys consider:

Trae + #13 overall
for Tyrese Maxey & #3 overall?

Philly would hang the phone up on us.

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Post #1142 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sun May 18, 2025 10:24 pm

HMFFL wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:Would you guys consider:

Trae + #13 overall
for Tyrese Maxey & #3 overall?

Philly would hang the phone up on us.

Post #1143 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon May 19, 2025 7:59 pm

Who needs depth, defense or vets, right?

Post #1144 » by **HMFFL** » Tue May 20, 2025 2:07 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:Who needs depth, defense or vets, right?

MPJ lacks the passion it takes to be a winner. He has failed since the bubble to be what the Nuggets need in the playoffs. He is now being investigated for gambling. His brother is banned from the league for gambling and his other brother is in jail. He has a lot going on off the court. He is a bad contract at $38m and $40m.

Post #1145 » by **HMFFL** » Tue May 20, 2025 2:10 pm

If Derrick White becomes available like rumors suggest do we pursue?

A Dyson Daniels and Derrick White backcourt if our front office doesn't think Trae stays long-term.

Post #1146 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue May 20, 2025 2:10 pm

HMFFL wrote:MPJ lacks the passion it takes to be a winner.

He is now being investigated for gambling.

He what?!?!?!

jayu70 · Post #1147 » by **jayu70** » Tue May 20, 2025 2:47 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
HMFFL wrote:MPJ lacks the passion it takes to be a winner.

He is now being investigated for gambling.

He what?!?!?!

As far as I know and have seen, he isn't being investigated.
I would pass on the trade, he has an injured shoulder which he played thru since it was the playoffs. We just had 2 of our players out with shoulder injuries, don't need another.

Post #1148 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed May 21, 2025 3:12 pm

Post #1149 » by **HMFFL** » Wed May 21, 2025 3:40 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:

Collin Sexton would be a good replacement for Mann and LeVert. He goes from starter to bench role, so that might be an issue, but are we prepared to extend him. It would cost us more than the $19m he is going to make next season?

Otherwise, he will be a rental for us.

He averaged the second most field goal attempts on the Jazz with 13.8. He won't average that with us.

tbhawksfan1 · Post #1150 » by **tbhawksfan1** » Thu May 22, 2025 5:51 pm

Sexton could work if he's willing to come off bench. I think he could get 13+ shots a game. Problem is getting him minutes behind Trae to get those shots

Like the trade but not the fit. Also don't like losing #22 in this draft

Post #1151 » by **HMFFL** » Thu May 22, 2025 5:59 pm

tbhawksfan1 wrote:Sexton could work if he's willing to come off bench. I think he could get 13+ shots a game. Problem is getting him minutes behind Trae to get those shots

Like the trade but not the fit. Also don't like losing #22 in this draft

I agree.

To me our backcourt needs a slight adjustment with Trae on the team. I want to see Dyson run the point at times when Trae sits. We need Mann to have time on the floor if he is costing us $16m per season.

Sexton, #5 pick, 2027 Lakers (Protected 1-4) for Trae Young could be in discussion if our FO was willing to move Trae, but that doesn't seem to be the case, and Trae has his eye on the supermax.

tbhawksfan1 · Post #1152 » by **tbhawksfan1** » Thu May 22, 2025 6:05 pm

Hawks really don't have the trade assets to go for a #1/#2 type star. Starting 5 is in place without bringing in a star. So what they need is bench players that can play 15-20 minutes every night and make the bench an asset while continuing to add to the teams depth and talent. That's what I'm hoping for

Post #1153 » by **dms269** » Tue May 27, 2025 12:30 pm

Can someone ELI5 the following:
2026 first round draft pick from San Antonio, Cleveland, Minnesota or Utah (outgoing swap to San Antonio; Atlanta outgoing to San Antonio or Cleveland)
San Antonio will receive the more favorable of its 2026 1st round pick and Atlanta's 2026 1st round pick; Utah will receive the most favorable of its 2026 1st round pick protected for selections 9-30, Minnesota's 2026 1st round pick and Cleveland's 2026 1st round pick; Minnesota will receive the less favorable of its pick and the Utah pick if conveyable; Atlanta will receive the more favorable of (i) the less favorable of its 2026 1st round pick and San Antonio's 2026 1st round pick and (ii) the less favorable of (a) the Cleveland pick and (b) the more favorable of the Utah pick if conveyable and the Minnesota pick [or (ii) the Cleveland pick if the Utah pick is not conveyable] and Cleveland will receive the less favorable of (i) and (ii) (if the Utah pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyable, then Minnesota's and Cleveland's obligations to Utah will be extinguished) (via Utah's right to swap for Minnesota; via Utah's right to swap Utah or Minnesota for Cleveland; via San Antonio's right to swap for Atlanta; via Atlanta's right to swap Atlanta or San Antonio for Cleveland, Utah or Minnesota) [Atlanta-San Antonio, 6/30/2022; Minnesota-Utah, 7/6/2022; Cleveland-Utah, 9/3/2022; Atlanta-Cleveland, 2/6/2025]

I get the SAS/ATL 1st swap, but how does the other one work?

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Geaux_Hawks · Post #1154 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Thu May 29, 2025 3:11 pm

dms269 wrote:Can someone ELI5 the following:
2026 first round draft pick from San Antonio, Cleveland, Minnesota or Utah (outgoing swap to San Antonio; Atlanta outgoing to San Antonio or Cleveland)
San Antonio will receive the more favorable of its 2026 1st round pick and Atlanta's 2026 1st round pick; Utah will receive the most favorable of its 2026 1st round pick protected for selections 9-30, Minnesota's 2026 1st round pick and Cleveland's 2026 1st round pick; Minnesota will receive the less favorable of its pick and the Utah pick if conveyable; Atlanta will receive the more favorable of (i) the less favorable of its 2026 1st round pick and San Antonio's 2026 1st round pick and (ii) the less favorable of (a) the Cleveland pick and (b) the more favorable of the Utah pick if conveyable and the Minnesota pick [or (ii) the Cleveland pick if the Utah pick is not conveyable] and Cleveland will receive the less favorable of (i) and (ii) (if the Utah pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyable, then Minnesota's and Cleveland's obligations to Utah will be extinguished) (via Utah's right to swap for Minnesota; via Utah's right to swap Utah or Minnesota for Cleveland; via San Antonio's right to swap for Atlanta; via Atlanta's right to swap Atlanta or San Antonio for Cleveland, Utah or Minnesota) [Atlanta-San Antonio, 6/30/2022; Minnesota-Utah, 7/6/2022; Cleveland-Utah, 9/3/2022; Atlanta-Cleveland, 2/6/2025]

I get the SAS/ATL 1st swap, but how does the other one work?

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So much going on here.

Completely forgot we got the rights to swap with Cleveland in '26 and '28

If I am reading correctly, then our '26 pick will first go through the SA swap, and then we can choose to swap with Cleveland from there.

This gets a bit wild if Utah ends up with a top 8 pick though.

So, if Utah ended up with a top 8 pick, then Utah gets to swap with Minny/Cleveland. After that is decided, we will then have the right to swap for the highest possible pick between us and Cleveland. Minnesota and Cleveland simply owe Utah a swap, and will get whatever is left over. Otherwise, Utah and Minny are irrelevant in the '26 swaps if Utah is picking in the 9-32 range.

JMAC3 · Post #1155 » by **JMAC3** » Tue Jun 3, 2025 6:53 pm

Can someone explain what the Hawks plan is? Here is a general list of questions I have after looking at their deadline, cap sheet, current and upcoming FA.
1. What was the point of the Hunter trade for LeVert and Nniang? I would assume it was to save money for the upcoming Trae, Jalen and Dyson extensions. Is LeVert going to be resigned? Because if so then it probably ends up costing them more combined right?
2. What was the point of the Bogdanovic trade for Mann? This one didn't save money, as Bogi has 1 less year guaranteed.
3. Neither of those deals were assets coming back so having a hard time seeing the motivation.
4. Are Capela and Nance both leaving via FA? I would assume Clint for sure as he will get MLE money somewhere right?
5. Like at what point are you worried about the shooting? Trae % is down, Dyson low volume, JJJ both low volume and low %, Onyeka shoots a bit... Feels like Hunter and Bogi were both good shooters replaced by worse shooters with Mann and LeVert.
6.Overall they are like 5 million below the cap, without bringing back LeVert, Capela, Matthews or Nance. That probably actually gets eaten up by the rookie contracts.

I know they are in the trade market always, but what salaries are getting sent at this point?

jayu70 · Post #1156 » by **jayu70** » Tue Jun 3, 2025 11:41 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Can someone explain what the Hawks plan is? Here is a general list of questions I have after looking at their deadline, cap sheet, current and upcoming FA.
1. What was the point of the Hunter trade for LeVert and Nniang? I would assume it was to save money for the upcoming Trae, Jalen and Dyson extensions. Is LeVert going to be resigned? Because if so then it probably ends up costing them more combined right?
2. What was the point of the Bogdanovic trade for Mann? This one didn't save money, as Bogi has 1 less year guaranteed.
3. Neither of those deals were assets coming back so having a hard time seeing the motivation.
4. Are Capela and Nance both leaving via FA? I would assume Clint for sure as he will get MLE money somewhere right?
5. Like at what point are you worried about the shooting? Trae % is down, Dyson low volume, JJJ both low volume and low %, Onyeka shoots a bit... Feels like Hunter and Bogi were both good shooters replaced by worse shooters with Mann and LeVert.
6.Overall they are like 5 million below the cap, without bringing back LeVert, Capela, Matthews or Nance. That probably actually gets eaten up by the rookie contracts.

I know they are in the trade market always, but what salaries are getting sent at this point?

1. Hunter has been injured on and off throughout his career (it's rumored he has degenerative knee issues), he finally put his best season off the bench together this season, Hawks were looking to cut salary in preparation for the upcoming season's cap sheet with JJ's extension kicking in. Niang is an $8 mil expiring, Levert is a FA (though word is they are looking to sign him to a reasonable deal.
2. The Mann trade was a head scratcher as we included 3 2nds. Rumor is the analytics dept loves what he brings. He's a better defender than Bogi but on offense, don't see the value.
3. See above
4. I think they want Nance back, the kiddos need an adult in the locker room, I think Capela is moving on.
5. Oh - we've been worried about the shooting all year, but too many injuries over the entire season particularly with the bigs, just too much to overcome. Bogi was awful shooting this year though. Mann and Niang shoot high percentages from 3 but not the volume of Bogi and Hunter. Hopefully an offseason of work for Mann helps him in quin's system.
6. Hawks are at ~$155 million with 11 contracted players (incl NGs) plus the 2 rookie scale contracts. That is roughly $32 Million under the Luxury Tax.

Post #1157 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Jun 4, 2025 6:41 pm

HMFFL wrote:Hali is the only one with the potential to be a superstar.

We define superstar differently and that's okay.

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tbhawksfan1 · Post #1158 » by **tbhawksfan1** » Sat Jun 7, 2025 8:46 am

This is a trade I really like. Haven't checked the money

https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/new_blockbuster_three_team_trade_proposal_sends_kevin_durant_to_toronto_hawks_acquire_elite_shooting/s1_16874_42295466

Hawks Receive: Grayson Allen and Royce O'Neale

Raptors Receive: Kevin Durant

Suns Receive: Jakob Poeltl, RJ Barrett, Terance Mann, Vit Krejci, a 2027 top-five protected 1st round pick (via TOR), a 2027 2nd round pick (from ATL, via CLE), a 2029 2nd round pick (from ATL, via CLE), and a 2031 2nd round pick (from ATL, via TOR)

Maybe take out Vit for Kobe

Post #1159 » by **dms269** » Sat Jun 7, 2025 10:34 am

tbhawksfan1 wrote:This is a trade I really like. Haven't checked the money

https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/new_blockbuster_three_team_trade_proposal_sends_kevin_durant_to_toronto_hawks_acquire_elite_shooting/s1_16874_42295466

Hawks Receive: Grayson Allen and Royce O'Neale

Raptors Receive: Kevin Durant

Suns Receive: Jakob Poeltl, RJ Barrett, Terance Mann, Vit Krejci, a 2027 top-five protected 1st round pick (via TOR), a 2027 2nd round pick (from ATL, via CLE), a 2029 2nd round pick (from ATL, via CLE), and a 2031 2nd round pick (from ATL, via TOR)

Maybe take out Vit for Kobe

My only concern is it only gives us two tradeable 2nds for a mid-season acquisition.

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tbhawksfan1 · Post #1160 » by **tbhawksfan1** » Sat Jun 7, 2025 10:37 am

dms269 wrote:
tbhawksfan1 wrote:This is a trade I really like. Haven't checked the money

https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/new_blockbuster_three_team_trade_proposal_sends_kevin_durant_to_toronto_hawks_acquire_elite_shooting/s1_16874_42295466

Hawks Receive: Grayson Allen and Royce O'Neale

Raptors Receive: Kevin Durant

Suns Receive: Jakob Poeltl, RJ Barrett, Terance Mann, Vit Krejci, a 2027 top-five protected 1st round pick (via TOR), a 2027 2nd round pick (from ATL, via CLE), a 2029 2nd round pick (from ATL, via CLE), and a 2031 2nd round pick (from ATL, via TOR)

Maybe take out Vit for Kobe
My only concern is it only gives us two tradeable 2nds for a mid-season acquisition.

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Yeah, I'd also like to remove one of those SRP. Would add depth and toughness though