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[riter]

would you trade Smoove for a top 3 protected pick?


would you trade Smoove for an unprotected pick?

[HMFFL]

would you trade Smoove for a top 3 protected pick?


would you trade Smoove for an unprotected pick?

Not at all. We need to know who we are going to acquire for certain, so I don't like Atlanta's odds, and it's just safer to stick with Josh at this point. I doubt we are going to find anyone that's able to raise fans out of their seats as well as Josh does anyway.

[NDaATL]

LOL

[HoopsGuru25]

I said it before the season...This draft is extremely overrated and filled with raw players. The hype that Mayo and Rose got/get is ridiculous...neither of them are can't miss players. Beasley looks good but I am skeptical about him too(to a certain extent). Also...trading proven young players for a draft pick is moronic(22 year old Elton Brand for an 18 year old Tyson Chandler ring any bells?).

[evildallas]

Let me be clear, I wouldn't trade Josh.

If the Atlanta Spirit felt they weren't going to resign him for whatever reason then I could see trade possibilities, but a single pick wouldn't do it. Sadly New York can't trade 2 1st round picks since Utah holds the 2010 pick without protection, so I'd go

David Lee
Nate Robinson
2008 Unprotected 1st
2009 right to switch 1st round picks

for

Josh Smith

Might be asking a lot, but you must understand we have little incentive to trade Josh Smith. If the pick pans out maybe it is Derrick Rose or DeAndre Jordan. If the lottery is unlucky, maybe it could still be Jerryd Bayless, but with our luck it would probably become a stiff C. I think there is still a lot of risk involved because I think the draft has 4-5 probable star guys and a lot of okay players. The rest of the deal is for now. Nate Robinson provides scoring spark off the bench and David Lee provides some rebounding. The 2009 possible switch is a little gravy, but I insist on it.

Again I don't do the deal if the ownership group is dedicated to matching any offer for Josh, but if they aren't on the same page in that respect then I think this is a good deal for us.

[riter]

Yeah, but your owners are cheap and Zeke is desperate.

Anyway, I in no way speak for the knicks board--most don't think this pick should be traded--and that's b/c most want this team blown up.

I on the other hand understand that we have no defense, in the interior or the perimeter, and no sg that can hit a shot consistently(although I do like JC)

We are looking for a defensive big and all anyone seems to be coming up with is Daly or Gadzuric

You guys "seem to have a logjam"---the question is is ATL gonna pay for all these guys? If not, like I"ve read on numerous posts, who could you get that would be equal value? Gasol?

If your management is gonna let Smoove walk(unlikely) --you could do alot worse than a top 5 pick.

[riter]

Let me be clear, I wouldn't trade Josh.

If the Atlanta Spirit felt they weren't going to resign him for whatever reason then I could see trade possibilities, but a single pick wouldn't do it. Sadly New York can't trade 2 1st round picks since Utah holds the 2010 pick without protection, so I'd go

David Lee
Nate Robinson
2008 Unprotected 1st
2009 right to switch 1st round picks

for

Josh Smith

Might be asking a lot, but you must understand we have little incentive to trade Josh Smith. If the pick pans out maybe it is Derrick Rose or DeAndre Jordan. If the lottery is unlucky, maybe it could still be Jerryd Bayless, but with our luck it would probably become a stiff C. I think there is still a lot of risk involved because I think the draft has 4-5 probable star guys and a lot of okay players. The rest of the deal is for now. Nate Robinson provides scoring spark off the bench and David Lee provides some rebounding. The 2009 possible switch is a little gravy, but I insist on it.

Again I don't do the deal if the ownership group is dedicated to matching any offer for Josh, but if they aren't on the same page in that respect then I think this is a good deal for us.

Josh Smith is not Jordan in his prime. That's way too much.
Also, no one else who has a record as bad as the knicks will give you an unporotected first.

But I'll tell you what.
if we get Artest and Tmac
I can see Dlee + an unprotected 1st round pick.

although after trading Lee Zeke may not live to see the team play a game.

[HMFFL]

macute,

Look what the Knicks gave up for Eddy Curry! David Lee and Nate Robinson are far from being foundation players for any team.

Also it's very unclear if the ASG is cheap or not. I don't think it's fair to judge them yet, as we don't really know until the court battle comes to an end, and it's pretty clear the ownership has some young Hawks to keep around. Al Horford, Josh Smith and Marvin Williams will all force the ASG to reach into their pockets and I would think the ASG is prepared to do so. Look what they gave up for Joe Johnson and they offered Joe a max contract, is that a sign of being cheap?

I continue to keep the faith that this group will eventually go over the cap, but for the time being they have their hands tided, and are forced to not go over the cap.

[riter]

macute,

Look what the Knicks gave up for Eddy Curry! David Lee and Nate Robinson are far from being foundation players for any team.

Also it's very unclear if the ASG is cheap or not. I don't think it's fair to judge them yet, as we don't really know until the court battle comes to an end, and it's pretty clear the ownership has some young Hawks to keep around. Al Horford, Josh Smith and Marvin Williams will all force the ASG to reach into their pockets and I would think the ASG is prepared to do so. Look what they gave up for Joe Johnson and they offered Joe a max contract, is that a sign of being cheap?

I continue to keep the faith that this group will eventually go over the cap, but for the time being they have their hands tided, and are forced to not go over the cap.

can't really argue with any of that.
firstly, Zeke shot his wad on the Curry trade. I don't think it will happen again.
secondly, you notice how you used the word "faith" in regards to whether or not the "ASG" (LOL) will go over the cap--well it's things like that that desperate knick fans like me are looking at.

If nothing else--know that MSG is looking at you guys waiting to see if there is a sliver of hope.

[Harry10]

Josh for the #1 overall pick?...... very respectable.... but no thanks

[evildallas]

Jordan in his prime wouldn't have been acquirable at any cost.

Again, I really don't want to trade Josh, but if we did:

Josh Smith at this point > Eddy Curry at the point Isiah did the S&T for him

Actually if Josh's scoring continues to rise as it has lately, then statistically he may soon pass Eddy Curry's best season ever. He's only 22 and if Atlanta decided they weren't going to break the bank on him, they'd be able to shop him around to highest bidder in the off season. Only 1 team has cap room to come with a high offer unless certain vets are renounced (Brand, Arenas) and Atlanta still has the right to match any of those potential offers. You should be prepared to be asked to pay full retail price in any trade. You aren't getting a young, explosive potential star at a discount.

As for McGrady and Artest: It's hard to figure what Sacramento would be demanding for Artest. However, you might be able to work out something for McGrady. Unfortunately for you the deal would probably cost you one of the assists that would be necessary in another deal (the 2008 pick) or Maybe not.

Perhaps Houston considers:
Jamal Crawford
Eddy Curry
Jared Jeffries
Renaldo Balkman

for

Tracy McGrady
Mike James

Of course, that leaves you without a C, but I doubt they would accept QRich as a substitute.

Maybe instead they do:
Randolph
Crawford
Balkman
for
McGrady
James

Don't expect anyone to be giving you guys bargains.

[LL Cool Scott]

Hmmmm.....maybe.....during the offseason, if negotiations go sour and the Knicks have a pick high enough to get Rose or Beasley, I'd probably do that deal. Any other scenario, hard to see it happening because we're just now starting to get people to come out to the games and Josh is a pretty big crowd favorite.

[conleyorbust]

Rose has been good this year but nothing special enough to make me consider trading a Smith-caliber player for him. Beasley looks like he could be a real monster but its still more of a gamble than I am willing to make.

This offseason could certainly put the Hawks in a tough position, especially considering that the Hawks and Cavs (tied) are sitting pretty far ahead of the 9th place Pacers. If the Birds make the playoffs this year and Smith is a big part of that, its gonna be awfully hard for ASG to trade one of the top two players from this team for anything, let alone an unknown quantitiy. Fortunately revenues should be up this year so it should be easier to commit the money to Smith, which is a good thing because losing him would definitely push those revenues back down. The way I look at it is ASG can't afford to let Smith go if we make the POs this season.

[Harry10]

i really like this year's draft, and think it is better than the 2007 prospects. their is no Odom or Lebron.... but their are about five or six Yi/Durant level type of prospects

[Lue_4_MVP]

I'd trade Josh if it was for any of the top 3 picks. Billy Bob won't though since that pick doesn't help us this year and we're doing everything to make the playoffs to save his own job.