Stromile Swift

[Rip2137]

He is about to get traded to Jersey for Jason Collins.

REALLY? Thats all it took?

We really should send Zaza and Salim to Memphis for Swift and Jacobson.

For all his faults, Swift will still give you more than Zaza. he can actually block shots and is a athletic rebounder.

Especially if all its taking is Jason Collins to pry him free.

[killbuckner]

I flat out don't believe thats true. It just doesn't make any sense on any level.

[Rip2137]

Well, I know Swift is at odds with the coaches in Memphis, but I don't understand why Memphis would take two years at 6 million of Jason Collins contract.

[Gutz]

I flat out don't believe thats true. It just doesn't make any sense on any level.

Well it appears to be true know-it-all! So yes we can move Zaza who is actually better than Collins for a decent piece apparently.

[JoshB914]

If Memphis is really giving up Stro for that, then we really screwed up. BK couldn't even cut a deal with his old organization?

[BigAlHorfordROY]

Stromile Swift and Collins are garbage, so is ZaZa. What have any of them done in there careers? Waste of a thread

[Rip2137]

Well thank you for adding so much to the discussion.

[killbuckner]

Gutz- until the trade goes down I just won't believe this. It wouldn't be the first time I was wrong- I wouldn't have believed the trade that sent Carter to the nets either. but honestly I just don't at all believe that there would be a straight up Collins for Swift trade.

[Rip2137]

well, swift is only averaging 6 and 3 on the year or something like that, so its not like they are going to be able to aquire some real talent for him.

But I am just baffled as to why anyone would take that Collins contract since its not expiring.


I am with you in thinking that it makes no sense whatsoever. maybe there are draft picks involved.

But why would you give up a draft pick for stromile swift?

[killbuckner]

I would give up a protected first rounder to go from Collins to Swift. Collins is absoutely worthless- Swift has flaws but is at least is someone you can get some value out of.

[td00]

And looking to restart the process.

Stoudamire, Swift, now Gasol.....they won't win many more this year!

[evildallas]

Swift was disruptive and Collins is not. Their contracts for next season are identical. What it tells me is that Memphis is not concerned with a quick turnaround. If they were they'd try to reduce payroll next year. They are willing to suck the rest of this season and next season as they stock high draft pick talent on to the roster. By lowering the payroll the owner is more able to sell the team, which is something he's wanted to do for some time now. The bad records are of little concern because the new ownership will probably chose to relocate the team to a more lucrative market.

The sad thing is that as they start down the path of a BK style rebuilding that they will undoubtedly do it better than the Hawks. They've already drafted their PG of the future early rather than late in the process. They've also got their high upside SF in Gay. They realistically will have at least 2 more high lottery picks before becoming competitive again. And their 3 big contracts of Miller, Cardinal, and Milicic come off the cap before they have to pay any extension dollars to the young core. The two low firsts they got can be used to lock in cheap role players as well, unless they can convey the Lakers pick to Washington to fulfill the Navarro trade.

[HoopsGuru25]

evil I think you are just looking at what Memphis did before trading Gasol and how high their draft pick is to jusfify the trade. Memphis would sitll have Conley/Gay and a high pick even if they kept Gasol. Memphis has lost more games than any other team in the last 2 years. Memphis may be trying to rebuild the right way and all..that doesn't change the fact that they made one terrible move and one pointless move. I think trading Gasol is smart. I think trading Gasol for 3 non-lottery picks when they could have had gotten much more is dumb. If they wanted to trade Gasol then they should have done it in the off-season. At the very least they could have gotten the exact same deal that Seattle took for Ray Allen. A Conley/Gay/08 draft pick core does have potential..but it would have had alot more had that not sold their star for 50 cents on the dollar.

BTW does any one notice how bad Memphis' front line is(if Kwame is waived)? Hakim Warrick is their best front court player...Darko/Collins at center...Brian Cardinal may even be foreced to get minutes. That seems like a perfect place for Shelden to get minutes.

[BMF Jet Jaguar]

kwame wont get waived, he isnt THAT bad

[evildallas]

HG25, don't get me wrong, I think they got nothing in the Gasol deal. I also think the Swift deal was horrible. I just think that by doing the Swift deal they tipped their hand that they plan to suck next year. If they had held on to Swift a little longer they may have been able to get at least part of his deal off the cap next year. Instead they spend 6.2M on the statistically worst player in the league. I believe you should relish that he's on someone else's roster, not trade for him. The Gasol deal was a pure dump. They aren't even really getting 2 1st out of it. Lost in the details is the 2nd rounder they send to LA which is just slightly worse than the pick they get from LA. Furthermore, they owe a 1st to Washington for Navarro which likely would be one of the ones they receive from LA. It's disconcerting that the last 2 big player trades appear to have more to do with personal relations than it does with what's best for the team making the trade (McHale ships Garnett to his old employer although rumor has it that Minnesota had better deals available and Wallace ships Gasol to the traditional rival of the team that canned him (he was once the Boston GM)). The Gasol trade had everything to do with selling the team and nothing about putting a good team on the court.

What I was lamenting is that by drafting Gay (upside prospect like Marvin, just cheaper at #8 ) and a PG before at least 2 more years of lottery will probably wind up with a better core than Atlanta built up living in the lottery for 4 years. This mainly has to do with completely whiffing on Shelden Williams and not acquiring a PG until the end of the lottery runs instead of early to give that PG time to develop. I was really complaining about BK more than I was complimenting Memphis. Memphis should add a big this year with their own 1st and if they keep the LA pick get a cheaper PF. The year after they can fill in the gaps by going SG. Of course, the next owner may want to go a different direction.

[Da big3]

I flat out don't believe thats true. It just doesn't make any sense on any level.

it kinda does swfit is a determent to the team and has problems gettin along with the coach and hakim warrick is taking up the minutes at the pf

[killbuckner]

Its jsut that Collins might be the worst player in the league. He simply is a disaster on offense on every level. And when the team isn't saving any money by making the trade it is simply a bad deal for the grizzlies. If I were the GM I would rather just bury Swift on the bench and hope that he declines his PO for next season to try and clear his salary that way. But after the Gasol trade it could be that Memphis just has a pretty bad GM who is prone to making dumb trades.

[HoopsGuru25]

I know Collins sucks but why does he only average 2 rebounds per game? You would have to think that someone who is that tall with no talent would be a good rebounder. This guy is like the worst of Eddy Curry,Andrea Bargnani,and Reggie Evans put together. His stats are amazingly bad. He shoots 42% from the field and that's a career high(for a big man). Also...how did he get $25 million? Who is his agent? I've never seen any one mention his contracts as one of the worst in the league.