Hawks are 9-4 when Horford attempts 10+ Field Goals

Master8492 · Post #1 » by **Master8492** » Fri Feb 8, 2008 4:34 am

Pretty interesting stat. Feed the big man more and it opens up for other players as well.

Harry10 · Post #2 » by **Harry10** » Fri Feb 8, 2008 4:54 am

i think it has more to do with Horford getting offensive rebounds, than it has to do with FGAs.

D21 · Post #3 » by **D21** » Fri Feb 8, 2008 10:04 am

Maybe, but ATL is also at 1W-4L with Horford getting 5 or more Off Rebonds...

IMO, the way Horford plays is not making so much difference... don't get me wrong, he's a very good player with lots of promise, but he's our only good player at C. He brings a lot to this team, maybe in 2 years, his talent will be enough to make this team dominate inside, but if we want to improve the team to the next step now, we need one more guy playing 30 min at C, or 15 at C/15 at PF with Horford and Smith. Less than the PG need, but not so much regarding the way Woody plays. If he starts to let run the team, then it's different, but for now...

conleyorbust · Post #4 » by **conleyorbust** » Fri Feb 8, 2008 2:47 pm

We're also 4-2 when he takes 4 or fewer shots. Not that it means anything. I think a big part of this correlation was given to us over that last 3 games, we won all 3 and Al had 10+ shots in all of them but thats probably not the reason we won.

I do like us working from the inside out like we have the last 3 games, let Joe play off of the space Josh and Al make. When we play from the outside in, our post players turn more into shooters which doesn't really work out in our favor. I think Josh and Al work really well together and can be pretty dangerous inside; when they draw attention, it makes it easier for Joe to get good looks.

tontoz · Post #5 » by **tontoz** » Fri Feb 8, 2008 3:22 pm

Horford was 3-11 in our win against Philly, 3-11 in our win against Denver, 5-13 in our win against Indy and 3-10 in our win against Miami.

Master8492 · Post #6 » by **Master8492** » Fri Feb 8, 2008 5:21 pm

The Hawks have a hard time scoring easy basket, so I think when they incorporate Horford into the offensive gameplan, he provides easy baskets (that never shown out of Zaza). He's also a good passer and is unselfish so when he has the ball more, it leads to more open shots for the Hawks.

It's also interesting that the Hawks are 4-2 when he attempts 4 or fewer FGs, however, he only averages 20 mins/game in those games... which probably mean a blowout for one team.

LL Cool Scott · Post #7 » by **LL Cool Scott** » Fri Feb 8, 2008 10:01 pm

Master8492 wrote:Pretty interesting stat. Feed the big man more and it opens up for other players as well.

You can find a statistic to prove almost anything you want - but I completely agree with your argument in this case. Teams with inside scoring threats win, it's been proven over and over and over again. This team will go as far as Horford can carry them in the upcoming years.

On a related note, I think this is why Phoenix will have its best shot at a title this year.

conleyorbust · Post #8 » by **conleyorbust** » Fri Feb 8, 2008 10:08 pm

LL Cool Scott wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

You can find a statistic to prove almost anything you want - but I completely agree with your argument in this case. Teams with inside scoring threats win, it's been proven over and over and over again. This team will go as far as Horford can carry them in the upcoming years.

On a related note, I think this is why Phoenix will have its best shot at a title this year.

I think lately Smith has been pretty dominant inside, especially in the last two games. He has really been drawing the doubles. Horford and Smith have been working well together down there. I agree with your statement though, I think we have been better lately because we aren't playing from the perimeter as much, we are playing from inside the 3 pont line and letting our halfcourt offense flow from there.

D21 · Post #9 » by **D21** » Fri Feb 8, 2008 10:10 pm

tontoz wrote:Horford was 3-11 in our win against Philly, 3-11 in our win against Denver, 5-13 in our win against Indy and 3-10 in our win against Miami.

Right, but we can't only look at FG%, the FTA should be seen too (even if it can be due to fouls not made on a shot...).
PHI: 0 FTA, but for DEN: 6-7 FTM-A, then 2-2 Vs IND and 0 again Vs MIA.

If all his games with bad FG% was games with lots of FTs, it would have been like a game with good FG%. But it's not the case, meaning this team can win with bad offensive game from Horford.

We could find lots of examples, at this time, Horford has improved the Hawks but is not decisive on the performance of the team.

One question: if we could get a big, what would be the best ? a defensive or an offensive one. Since the beggining of the season, if thought the need was a defensive one, but not so sure now...

conleyorbust · Post #10 » by **conleyorbust** » Fri Feb 8, 2008 10:15 pm

Horford's biggest contribution on offense for now should be his ability to start a fast break with a good outlet pass... unfortunately we don't have a good point guard for him to hit with those babies.

He also has great hands so he should be catching passes and immediately going up... again with the pg.

tontoz · Post #11 » by **tontoz** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 12:27 am

One question: if we could get a big, what would be the best ? a defensive or an offensive one. Since the beggining of the season, if thought the need was a defensive one, but not so sure now...

I still say defensive for two reasons. One is that i think a defensive big will be much easier to get. Two is that i think both Smith and Horford will improve their scoring.

horford would be scoring more right now if he would just stop being such a puss and just drive.

Harry10 · Post #12 » by **Harry10** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 2:24 am

all these stats really don't mean much, the only stat that really matters is Joe's FG%.