Josh, we still could have made a trade after it got leaked because players wanted to get the first shot at Roy, Foye, and Gay. Shelden was off lottery team's radar.
Rip, BK doesn't draft based on how Woody is going to play guys. BK doesn't care about what other people, including his coach/players/fans, think. Saying that taking Shelden instead of Roy was defensible based on the logic that Woody wouldn't play Roy is silly because Woody doesn't play Shelden.
I have a hard time getting over this...
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Rip2137
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Once again, I am not calling the pick defensible. IT WAS A HORRIBLE PICK.
But not because Brandon Roy was available. Because we could have picked up a vet that Woodson would have actually played for that pick and still probably would have been able to get Sheldon if they wanted him that bad. With these coaches, Brandon Roy would have been a bad pick too.
So its not Sheldon over Roy that bothers me. It is Sheldon over the numerous good players around the league that bothers me. I wouldn't have felt better drafting Roy, watching him rot on the bench, get traded or leave in free agency and go to another team and become a star. It would have still been a bad pick then.
And I keep saying it, Sheldon, at his best, is going to be a 11-12 point per game, 10 rebound per game guy. Not great. Not horrible. Just a role player. A Aaron Williams without the hustle and better rebounding ability. No, you don't spend a top 5 pick on that.
And Hoops are you really saying there would be no difference in a injury prone streak shooting rookie guard that turned the ball over alot until he got his footing in the league and Dwayne Wade is pretty much the same thing. Thats not even a comparable situation.
You have a coach that doesn't like to play rookies. You are suggesting this same coach would have taken the ball out of his star players hands and put it into a rookie shooting guards hands. That is absolutely ridiculous. He won't take the ball out of Joes hands now even though he is playing like crap and guys around him are playing better.
The same reason he kept playing Lo Wright last year over younger guys who would come out and routinely out play him whenever they touched the court. He wants vets out there.
Riley had a losing team, and played young guys to get his team better. He took Wade and was going to play him regardless. Woody when he saw the team was going to win 20 something games, was still going with the vets. And he will continue to do so. You keep ignoring the fact that I am pointing out that the flaw in this is the coaching staff and not the player. IF you are going to compare Woody and Pat Riley, then I don't know what to tell you. Fire the staff, and yes, Roy sees clock.
With Woody, its just not going to happen. Rookies have short leashes on this team. Roy shot under 33 percent in 3 of his first 4 starts then got hurt for a month. No. He wouldn't have seen the court.
Brandon Roy is effective because from day one he was able to dominate the ball and be the threat that he is. At no point would he be able to dominate the ball here in Atlanta. Only Joe and for some reason Lue are allowed to do that. It is completely ignoring basketball to think his game would slightly resemble what he is doing now if he were in Atlanta.
But not because Brandon Roy was available. Because we could have picked up a vet that Woodson would have actually played for that pick and still probably would have been able to get Sheldon if they wanted him that bad. With these coaches, Brandon Roy would have been a bad pick too.
So its not Sheldon over Roy that bothers me. It is Sheldon over the numerous good players around the league that bothers me. I wouldn't have felt better drafting Roy, watching him rot on the bench, get traded or leave in free agency and go to another team and become a star. It would have still been a bad pick then.
And I keep saying it, Sheldon, at his best, is going to be a 11-12 point per game, 10 rebound per game guy. Not great. Not horrible. Just a role player. A Aaron Williams without the hustle and better rebounding ability. No, you don't spend a top 5 pick on that.
And Hoops are you really saying there would be no difference in a injury prone streak shooting rookie guard that turned the ball over alot until he got his footing in the league and Dwayne Wade is pretty much the same thing. Thats not even a comparable situation.
You have a coach that doesn't like to play rookies. You are suggesting this same coach would have taken the ball out of his star players hands and put it into a rookie shooting guards hands. That is absolutely ridiculous. He won't take the ball out of Joes hands now even though he is playing like crap and guys around him are playing better.
The same reason he kept playing Lo Wright last year over younger guys who would come out and routinely out play him whenever they touched the court. He wants vets out there.
Riley had a losing team, and played young guys to get his team better. He took Wade and was going to play him regardless. Woody when he saw the team was going to win 20 something games, was still going with the vets. And he will continue to do so. You keep ignoring the fact that I am pointing out that the flaw in this is the coaching staff and not the player. IF you are going to compare Woody and Pat Riley, then I don't know what to tell you. Fire the staff, and yes, Roy sees clock.
With Woody, its just not going to happen. Rookies have short leashes on this team. Roy shot under 33 percent in 3 of his first 4 starts then got hurt for a month. No. He wouldn't have seen the court.
Brandon Roy is effective because from day one he was able to dominate the ball and be the threat that he is. At no point would he be able to dominate the ball here in Atlanta. Only Joe and for some reason Lue are allowed to do that. It is completely ignoring basketball to think his game would slightly resemble what he is doing now if he were in Atlanta.
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JoshB914
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Woody played Smoove, Chillz, IV, Horford, and Marvin in their rookie seasons. This whole thing of him refusing to play rookies doesn't make sense. He played Shelden a lot too in his rookie year but he was just awful and lost his job to Solo. He also allowed Salim to log some minutes but he just wasn't consistent enough. You can make an argument he has a tight leash with his rooks, but not that he doesn't play them at all.
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JoshB914 wrote:Woody played Smoove, Chillz, IV, Horford, and Marvin in their rookie seasons. This whole thing of him refusing to play rookies doesn't make sense. He played Shelden a lot too in his rookie year but he was just awful and lost his job to Solo. He also allowed Salim to log some minutes but he just wasn't consistent enough. You can make an argument he has a tight leash with his rooks, but not that he doesn't play them at all.
Actually, I think Shelden was decent last season, about what I expected which was a role player with limited upside. Something happened to him though and he regressed pretty massively. Salim was also decent in his rookie season (all-second, right?) and not bad in his second. He too has regressed. I'm not sure what is happening to our players, but its disconcerting. Still, you make a good point. Woody might not be a good personality manager or personal mentor but he'll give a player some burn.
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