Nets-Mavs Trade in Double Jeopardy

evildallas · Post #1 » by **evildallas** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:54 pm

If you didn't see it, Jerry Stackhouse was a little too honest with a reporter and it will probably be the death knell of the Kidd trade. By saying publicly he will be bought out, rest 30 days and return to Dallas, he's gotten the league involved in checking for tampering which would likely block his return to Dallas. As such it becomes more than just Harris, Diop, 2 picks and expirings for Kidd. It means another rotation player lost in the process which might cause Cuban to fold his hand. He can still sign Van Horn to an even larger deal to replace both Stackhouse and George in the deal, but that makes it even more damning in terms of luxury tax now and in the future.

Story here

The reason I thought it was worth posting to our board is that if the trade fails after public completion, I really see it killing off the rest of Jersey's season. Which means 1 less serious competitor for the last couple of playoff spots.

jagstang76 · Post #2 » by **jagstang76** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:05 pm

Not that I think it could happen, but there might even be a chance at us grabbing Kidd.

evildallas · Post #3 » by **evildallas** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:21 pm

I'll bite. What would the offer be?

Are you thinking something like this offer
plus our 2010 1st and 2009 2nd? We don't have a 2nd #1 to offer.

Also don't forget that Kidd's people have said that he'll only be happy in Dallas, Cleveland, or San Antonio.

killbuckner · Post #4 » by **killbuckner** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:40 pm

I think that people were missing the real point of why the Nets were getting so much for Kidd. Basically they were going to have to buy out like 16 million dollars of Stackhouse's contract in order to get the trade done. Thats the reason they were getting the cash and the extra draftpicks.

evildallas · Post #5 » by **evildallas** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:48 pm

^^^ What would the talent offer be then?

I had to put 5 guys in to make the salary work with us. Realistically what I suggested for New Jersey it was Marvin and a 1st + expirings for Kidd + expirings. With the 2nd rounder for Wright portion to help the rosters limits. That seems to be talent-wise equal to what they were really getting from Dallas (Harris + 2 firsts).

Cleveland has worse contracts than Dallas and San Antonio doesn't seem interested, so I see Kidd finishing the season in NJ which I can't see as a very successful proposition.

killbuckner · Post #6 » by **killbuckner** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:53 pm

dallas- you know that Harris is worth more than Marvin right?

Skyhawk1 · Post #7 » by **Skyhawk1** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:20 pm

I'd love for the league to block this trade for many reasons. If Stackhouse is allowed to do what he's said he will, that's enough reason right there. It's like finding an ilegal but legal way to trade a guy and then get him back. And for those who were blaming D. George for vetoing the trade, they should just put themselves in his shoes. I'd do the same if I had 6-10M at stake.

evildallas · Post #8 » by **evildallas** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:30 pm

killbuckner wrote:dallas- you know that Harris is worth more than Marvin right?

In my heart, yes. I realize that a good PG is > a good wing man (which is another reason why BK shouldn't be employed as a GM). But that offer was the best example I could come up with just to play devil's advocate. I'm hoping Marvin gets some upside credit. As you pointed out in the Dallas offer the Nets have to buyout a lot of salary. In my proposal, they don't. Considering that they really want to move Kidd, if they can't get Harris then our offer just has to be in the ball park, right?

Actually, I don't even want Kidd. While he's a great player and would create some much needed attention and buzz, I don't think he'd be happy here. I wouldn't mind flipping Kidd to in essence turn Marvin and expirings into Devin Harris, etc., but that is unrealistic.

killbuckner · Post #9 » by **killbuckner** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:32 pm

The thing is I don't see why George would be costing himself any money. HE isn't going to sign for more than the MLE, I don't see why early bird rights are that big of a deal to him. I would think that getting PT would help him more financially than bird rights for a team that is in no mood to do him any favors

evildallas · Post #10 » by **evildallas** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:34 pm

Skyhawk1 wrote:I'd love for the league to block this trade for many reasons. If Stackhouse is allowed to do what he's said he will, that's enough reason right there. It's like finding an ilegal but legal way to trade a guy and then get him back. And for those who were blaming D. George for vetoing the trade, they should just put themselves in his shoes. I'd do the same if I had 6-10M at stake.

He isn't getting 6-10M in the off season the early bird rights only affect what Dallas can offer him, but that's not important. My gripe with D. George is that he just asked publicly to be traded from Dallas 2 weeks ago. That's bush league, if not for that little bit of info I'd be all for George's position.

Skyhawk1 · Post #11 » by **Skyhawk1** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:04 pm

I understand your point Dallas. I actually thought about that as well. When I said 6-10M, I meant to say that amount in let's say a couple of years or something. But I tend to support players in that situation since they can get traded by teams whenever their teams want to. So, if you are a player with a veto clause in your contract, you want to make sure you get the most out of it. At the end I think that's all he's doing.