Acie this month

[tontoz]

* Sheldon, 67 minutes.
* Lue, 79 minutes.
* JJ, 77 minutes.
* Smith, 63 minutes
* Horford, 60 minutes
* Mario, 39 minutes
* AJ, 5 minutes

That just proves my point. JJ plays more than anyone yet Acie has played with JJ only 10 more minutes than Shelden who hardly plays. Acie has also played with Lue (ball hog) more than with JJ.

[JoshB914]

You said he was spending time with Lo and Shelden. Which he has not done. Re-read my posts and you will see that while I agree with your basic points, your logic is flawed because it is based on stuff that never happened. I am just pointing that out. I don't know if what Smabie posted was accurate, but that clearly lays out that IV sees the court with guys that can score. You're right that IV is playing better, but his improved play is because of him.

Please stop with the personal attacks. There is no reason to call me a moron. That is not neccessary.

[raleigh]

Acie has also played with Lue (ball hog) more than with JJ.

I actually thought he played quite well next to Lue vs. Charlotte. Lue is more of a SG anyway.

[JoshB914]

How does that prove your point? IV is spending a lot of time with JJ and Smoove. Those guys can score. Shelden costs everyone assists when he is on the floor because he is bad. But he is clearly not out there with crap around him.

Is that true he plays all those minutes with Lue? That is bizarre. Woody really is out of his league.

[tontoz]

You said he was spending time with Lo and Shelden. Which he has not done. .

As usual you can't read. Here is exactly what i wrote in the first post.

Obviously he would have more assists if he didn't spend so much time with guys like Blo, Zaza and Shelden who can't score.

What part of that is so hard to grasp? I didn't say he was ONLY playing with those guys. I said he played very frequently with those guys, much moreso than AJ does.

I even posted the friggin play yet somehow you can't even believe that.

The fact that Acie has played with Shelden only 10 minutes less than with JJ over the last 10 games proves my point because JJ hardly ever comes out and Shelden rarely plays.

Everyone on this site except you and kb can see what is going on with Acie's playing time. kb at least has an excuse because he doesn't watch the games.

[JoshB914]

And as smabie said, IV is seeing minutes with JJ and Smoove. As a backup, he will play more minutes with guys on the floor that are backups. That is basketball 101. I'm just disputing that they cost him so many assists that it has cost him from being the answer at PG.

Everyone on this site defends IV because they have the blinders on. Kind of like they continued to defend JJ until recently when he was shooting 40% all year. Ask any neutral observer and they will tell you IV isn't the answer at this point.

[tontoz]

And as smabie said, IV is seeing minutes with JJ and Smoove.

I never said he wasn't but given your lack of reading comprehension i have no doubt that you believe i did say that.

If you had any sense it would give you pause to see that Acie has played more minutes the last 10 games with Shelden than with Smith.

Everyone on this site defends IV because they have the blinders on.

You are the one with blinders on. You can't see that Law can defend better than AJ or Lue. You can't see that he can break down defense better than both by far. You can't see that JJ and Smith are forced to create offense because AJ and Lue can't.

Most importantly you can't see that the Hawks are 7 games under .500 with AJ and Lue and are sinking fast. They will continue to sink unless something changes.

it isn't a sure thing that the Hawks can be successful with Acie but it is a sure thing that they won't be successful with AJ and Lue.

[JoshB914]

No I see that IV deserves the minutes. But the reason for it is because he is playing better than before. It has nothing to do with the players around him.

[tontoz]

No I see that IV deserves the minutes. But the reason for it is because he is playing better than before. It has nothing to do with the players around him.

And would you have said that before the Charlotte game? no. Why not? because he had games of 0,5 and 7 minutes this month. The Houston game he just had mopup duty in garbage time.

You can't play well if you aren't in the game. And you certainly won't look good when you are in the game with only one starter and 3 of our lame bench players.

The only reason Acie played 29 minutes (season high) against the Cats is because Childress was out. If it wasn't for that you wouldn't be admitting he is playing better.

[JoshB914]

I've said that IV has improved quite a bit over the past month or two. I hope he continues to play well and hopefully gets to see some time in the stretch run.

[D21]

Over the past 10 games, Law has been on the court for 153 minutes. During that time, he's played with:
* Sheldon, 67 minutes.
* Lue, 79 minutes.
* JJ, 77 minutes.
* Smith, 63 minutes
* Horford, 60 minutes
* Mario, 39 minutes
* AJ, 5 minutes...

I did not checked all the 10 games, but on HOU and DET games, there was something this pairing doesn't show. In these two games, he plays with Horford, but instead of playing with Horford at C, with a fast running lineup, the majority is with Horford at PF and Zaza at C.
This is what I find stupid. Acie is our quickest PG, why not playing him in the best condition and trying to beat opponents by speed ? At least trying...


They played 100 minutes together and are in positive, why not more minutes ?

[HMFFL]

Fellow Hawk fans, let's please watch the personal attacks. I know some discussions can get heated, however at times I look past the personal attacks between Hawk fans, but calling someone a "moron" can be used frequently and get out of hand.

This has to do with any past, present or future discussions.

Thanks

[smabie]

Overall (for the entire season, not just the past 10 games), Law has played 652 minutes. Averages to 16:43 per game.

Of that, 102 minutes was with the 4 non-PG starters. That's 15.67% of the time. That grouping occured in only 20 games -- 51.28% of the 39 games he's played any time in this season. Averages to 5:07 for those 20 games. Which makes it, in those 20 games in particular, about 30.61% of the 16:43 he's been averaging overall.

Over that 102 minutes, Acie+starters is at +26, or +.254 per minute. The only +/- for a group of 5 that's higher overall is AJ/JJ/Chill/Smith/Al - which is at +29, or only +.241 per minute, which has appeared in 120 minutes over 26 games.

The starting formation - AJ+starters - is at +9 over 40 games, 542 minutes. Out of AJ's time on the court - 1121 minutes in 42 games - nearly half (more accurately, 48.38%) of that time is spent with the starting formation. The Starting 5 time averages out to 13:33 per game played (ie, per the 40 games), which is slightly more than the 26:40 he's averaged per game played (the total 42). That puts AJ's time with the starters at about two-and-a-half times as long as Acie gets to play with them on average (more accurately, 2.65 as much time per game in which that formation appears).

AJ+starters is, btw, at +9 over those 40 games. Which would be, oh, .016 per minute played.

In comparison to the rest of the Eastern Conference, btw, the Hawks two highest +/- 5-man groups are 17th and 23rd, respectively, with 9 Eastern teams having higher ratio'd groups-of-5 (including Philly & Chicago). The highest scoring Hawks group is tied for 56th with a group from the Warriors, and 12 western conference teams have groups appearing higher than them.