Terrence Moore's reaction to Bibby trade

[High 5]

PER does not tell you who the better player is,

Obviously there is more to the game than stats. But people are getting carried away with overrating Horford.

Lets see if anyone but me criticizes his 5 turnover, 4 pt performance tonight. And his defense was a joke.

I said I wasn't going to post anymore, but whatever, I'm not as tired as I thought. It would a lot more enjoyable to have these little agruments if you would acknowledge everything I said and not just the small selection of words you feel you can reply to without admitting your points were weakened or disproven. The snotty attitude doesn't help either.

And I'm not going to criticize any one player because literally no one played well until after the lead hit 40.

[Rip2137]

Per pretty much points out the offensive importance of a player on a team.

Their effectiveness on the court so far this year hasn't even been close

Oh really. So how many Memphis games have you watched?

Quite a few. More so to watch Marc's coaching style (I am still a Phoenix fan first and foremost)

And what does that supposed to prove. The purpose of PER will show the offensive importance of a player on a team. Al Horford is the 4-5th scoring option on this team.

No, their effectiveness hasn't even been slightly close this year.

And Sean Williams? Really? Lets see what those scoring numbers look like with Kidd gone. Mikki Moore ain't exactly averaging double figures anymore either. Jersey's offense has alot to do with their bigs scoring.

Man. Some people have some insanely irrational thinking when it comes to players they dislike.

[tontoz]

Man. Some people have some insanely irrational thinking when it comes to players they dislike.

What is irrational is comparing a guy averaging 9 ppg to someone averaging 20 ppg.

Al Horford is the 4-5th scoring option on this team.

which isn't going to change unless someone gets traded or he drastically improves.

And Sean Williams? Really? Lets see what those scoring numbers look like with Kidd gone.

I'd like to see what his scoring numbers would be playing 30 minutes a game. Even playing 21 minutes he is blocking almost twice as many shots as Horford.


I don't dislike Horford i just think people are getting carried away with him. He is a good rebounder but isn't scoring much at all and is struggling to defend other bigs (like Gasol).

My view of Horford isn't much different than the view i had of Smith.

I didn't like Smith at the 3. I thought he should play the 4. I also didn't like Smith jackin up 3s all the time. I wanted him to take it to the basket and post up.

I don't like Horford as a full time center. I think his minutes should be fairly evenly split between the 4 and 5. Unfortunately right now we don't have anyone else who can guard the C spot.

I don't like the fact that he NEVER tries to drive against slower players. I also don't like him trying to back down much bigger players.

[Rip2137]

See, I hate when people try to put down a player because of a recent game. Yes, gasol had a good game last night. Horford shut him down the game before. How can you just arbitrarily put more stock into one performance than another.

everyone has off nights. Dwight Howard had 8 points and 8 rebounds last night I believe. That doesn't mean that all of a sudden he can't rebound and can't score. He has done a consitantly good job defending bigs. He is a much better rebounder. And if you would watch Sean Williams play, you would know that you can score on him at will. His ability to block weakside shots is nice, but he isn't the defender that Horford has displayed.

And seriously, at what point will you accept that the reason he doesn't drive against players is because he is a slow ball handler? He doesn't have a quick..hell...even a fast first step. This is like asking why doesn't Earl Boykins just dunk the ball when he gets in the lane. He doesn't have the skillset to do it.

Getting by people is quickness. Horford is not quick. Its that simple.

[tontoz]

How can you just arbitrarily put more stock into one performance than another.

How about Okafors 20/20? How about Big Z's 17/11 after 3 quarters (blocking Horfords shot 3 times)? Both recent games.

And seriously, at what point will you accept that the reason he doesn't drive against players is because he is a slow ball handler?

Because i see him get defensive rebounds and quickly push the ball up the floor ALL THE TIME.

Getting by people is quickness. Horford is not quick. Its that simple.

If he wasn't quick then he would get abused defensively by opposing guards when he gets switched onto them. Fact is that rarely happens.

If he is quick enough to guard opposing guards and lead the fast break he is quick enough to beat guys like Bogut and Big Z off the dribble.

[Rip2137]

You are talking like someone that has never played basketball ever.

Bruce Bowen can't get by anyone off the dribble. But he can keep up with guys. Nash can get by people off the dribble, but has trouble staying in front of people. the two have NOTHING to do with anything.

Leading a fast break has NOTHING to do with taking someone off the dribble. Being fast is being just that...fast. Its the difference between running and doing the shuttle drill. Fast players aren't always quick and quick players aren't always fast.

You can be taught to have a quick first step, and that is a aspect of his game he should work on in the offseason, but it simply isn't part of his game. Its obvious if you watch him play.

[Rip2137]

And what about the first two times he played Z? 3 points and 5 rebounds one time, 7 points and 7 rebounds the second time. So only the other one counts for some reason?

What about Okafors 6 point, 8 rebound effort against Horford earlier this year?

I don't gey why he is struggleing just because some guys have good games? Does a guy only do a great job when no center EVER has a good game against him? Because, I got to tell yah, those don't exist.

[tontoz]

Bruce Bowen can't get by anyone off the dribble. But he can keep up with guys.

He isn't playing against guys significantly slower than him. Horford is. Horford has the slowest player on the other team defending him every night.

You are talking like someone that has never played basketball ever.

I used to play all the time and would certainly clown someone like you who is completely clueless.

When you have a bigger, slower guy guarding you the way to beat him is to use your speed againt him. That is basketball 101 which obviously you haven't passed.

[High 5]

Don't waste your time talking to this guy about Horford, Rip. He'll reply to less and less or your post until he just ignores you all together. He's bascially a troll when it comes to this topic.

[tontoz]

Don't waste your time talking to this guy about Horford, Rip. He'll reply to less and less or your post until he just ignores you all together. He's bascially a troll when it comes to this topic.

Oh really?

He is trying to say that Horford is too slow to drive on other centers. Do you think that is accurate?