Problems v/s Utah

[Rod700]

Two things that had me concerned:

1. We've had a lot of turn overs lately, I expected that when breaking in a new point guard, and with his back-ups being a rookie and a guy who is more of a shooting guard (Salim). Yet it seems like many of the turnovers were when players had the ball isolated in the low post or baseline, and when they went to work to post up or drive, they ended up throwing the ball out of bounds or dribbling it off their foot. I'm not sure how much you can do to coach good hands. What can we do?

2. Did I actually see this line up last night? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Zaza
Jones
Chill
Richardson (10 day contract)
Salim

What the hell? How bout we rotate to keep a couple of starters in at all times?

[HoopsGuru25]

That lineup was a disaster. The Hawks can't afford to put a lineup w/o Joe or Bibby on the court right now. The lead when RIGHT Back to double digits within about two minutes of Joe being taken out(I think he left with the score tied or down 2). The game was basically lost by the bench(and Woody for playing so many scrubs at once) in the 2nd and late 3rd quarter.

[killbuckner]

its absolutely ridiculous that BK hasn't signed a backup PG to a 10 day contract.

[tontoz]

Two things that had me concerned:

1. We've had a lot of turn overs lately, I expected that when breaking in a new point guard, and with his back-ups being a rookie and a guy who is more of a shooting guard (Salim). Yet it seems like many of the turnovers were when players had the ball isolated in the low post or baseline, and when they went to work to post up or drive, they ended up throwing the ball out of bounds or dribbling it off their foot. I'm not sure how much you can do to coach good hands. What can we do?

2. Did I actually see this line up last night? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Zaza
Jones
Chill
Richardson (10 day contract)
Salim

What the hell? How bout we rotate to keep a couple of starters in at all times?

That is the type of lineup that Acie frequently has to play with. Hard to do anything but lose ground with a lineup like that.

[dannyc84]

one name, Zaza. dunno what he's doing out there. I don't think he knows whats he's doing out there. He really makes me angry.

[JoshB914]

Why we lost:

Bibby +12, Joe +21, Smoove +12

Zaza -17, Salim -17, Marvin -14, Chillz -17.

Our second unit simply didn't get the job done last night and it killed us. When we had our top guys in the game we took it to them.

[Rod700]

^^^^
Thats very true, but our starter's had too many turnover's as well:

Bibby: 3
JJ: 4
Marv: 4
J.Smith: 3

I know Smoove's hand is hurting, and Bibby will take time to adjust to our system and players, but JJ and Marv were a little too sloppy with turnovers. As a team, we had 22 and I don't think the last game yielded an impressive turnover stat either. I know we are breaking in a new point guard, but like I said before, a lot of these occurred in isolated plays in the low post and on the baseline.

[conleyorbust]

its absolutely ridiculous that BK hasn't signed a backup PG to a 10 day contract.

Or a backup big man that isn't absolutely awful. I am at the point where I'd just rather see Solo than Zaza... or even just a D-Leaguer, at least those dudes know their role.

[Skyhawk1]

Well, I was expecting us to turn it over more since we got Bibby. Most of players are still trying to get used to him and we run more as well. Anyway, we got to cut it down. I think last night being the second of back to back nights kinda contribute for that high number. But our weak point is the bench. That line-up is at its best a D-league one. Zaza became a problem for us. He brings this team down with his dumb plays. I kinda miss Lo Wright already. lol

[conleyorbust]

^^^^
Thats very true, but our starter's had too many turnover's as well:

Bibby: 3
JJ: 4
Marv: 4
J.Smith: 3

I know Smoove's hand is hurting, and Bibby will take time to adjust to our system and players, but JJ and Marv were a little too sloppy with turnovers. As a team, we had 22 and I don't think the last game yielded an impressive turnover stat either. I know we are breaking in a new point guard, but like I said before, a lot of these occurred in isolated plays in the low post and on the baseline.

My thought is that generally you can take some TOs (or missed shots, etc.) if you are being generally productive. Regardless of the turnovers, the starters outperformed the Utah starters, by a pretty significant margin really. If we had gotten our usual 12 from Chil, this game is a win. Not that I blame the loss on Chil.

[Rip2137]

The key, though, is not to punish your bench by not playing them for a week. You have to play those guys if you want consistant results.

What you don't do is put 5 bench guys on the court at the same time. Guys like salim and Richardson are great complimentary guys, but not as lead scorers. Salim's production will always be spotty if he has to create his own shot. Richardson does have some ability, but he is still gonna play like a guy that doesn't want mess up because he is on a 10 day.

Solo is a hustle guy that will get you the garbage rebounds, contest shots and such. Chill is a clean up guy that can score well around the basket and knows how to get open. Zaza knows how to hold the ball and kill the offense and miss shots and turn the ball over. That lineup isn't going to work.

You have to leave in a starter, be it Smith, Marvin, Bibby or Joe with the bench crew coming in. All those guys can get offense or create for others. That will keep the offense flowing.

But above all, you CAN'T go back to DNP's because the bench had a tough game. Just as the Bench let the team down in Utah, they were the reason for the win in Golden State. Bench play will be up and down. You haev to just keep giving them the consistant minutes to play through the downs.