J Chill

[betta1]

Some recent examples, though obviously over/under performance can be highly subjective depending on one's expectations to begin with:

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=280317027
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=280316018
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=280316018

[tontoz]

Some recent examples, though obviously over/under performance can be highly subjective depending on one's expectations to begin with:

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=280317027
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=280316018
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=280316018

In the past month Childress has had 7 games where he scored 8 pts or fewer. And that doesn't include the Houston game where he played 8 minutes.

On the season he averages 12 pts, and many of those points come from abandoning his defensive responsitilities.

Childress' best month was last month where he averaged a whopping 14 ppg. In the last three seasons Childress' highest monthly average was 15 ppg. that just so happens to be marvin's season average right now.

Not impressed.



Let's not forget Marvin is 3 years younger than Childress.

[betta1]

Don't forget that Chilz averages 5 less mpg than Marv and never has plays called for him.

[tontoz]

Don't forget that Chilz averages 5 less mpg than Marv and never has plays called for him.

Childress averaged 37 minutes per game last season and averaged 1 pt more. WOW

What play could you call for Childress? He can't post up anyone unless he has a small pg on him. He can't shoot a jumper off a screen without getting it sent back. He is just an extremely limited player.

[betta1]

I don't deny he's limited, but much less so than Marvin "All I have in my arsenal is an inconsistent mid-range jumper and a reckless drive to the hoop" Williams. And of course I'm not advocating plays run for Chilz, just merely continuing to be amazed by the fact he does score in spite of it.

[tontoz]

I don't deny he's limited, but much less so than Marvin "All I have in my arsenal is an inconsistent mid-range jumper and a reckless drive to the hoop" Williams. And of course I'm not advocating plays run for Chilz, just merely continuing to be amazed by the fact he does score in spite of it.

Marvin has shown a step back jumper, a turnaround J and a jump hook, none of which Childress is capable of. Marvin doesn't use them often but he has hit several of each this season.

I'd like to see Childress try a step back J off the dribble.

[betta1]

I'll take the one with the consistently higher FG% before the once-a-season step back or turnaround j and no 3s.

[tontoz]

I'll take the one with the consistently higher FG% before the once-a-season step back or turnaround j and no 3s.

Marvin has made his step back shot and turnarounds about as often as Childress has made a 3 (14 total on the season).

Childress' FG% doesn't mean squat because the team shoots better when he is on the bench. JJ shoots 3% better with Marvin than he does with Childress. Smith shoots 6% better with Marvin.

http://82games.com/0708/0708ATLP.HTM

The reason is that Childress isn't a perimeter threat and kills spacing.

[betta1]

I thought we established that Marvin is the furthest thing from a perimeter threat.

[tontoz]

I thought we established that Marvin is the furthest thing from a perimeter threat.

The guy who averages 1 made jumper every two games is the furthest thing from a perimeter threat.

http://www.82games.com/0708/07ATL8A.HTM

[conleyorbust]

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Marvin has made his step back shot and turnarounds about as often as Childress has made a 3 (14 total on the season).

Childress' FG% doesn't mean squat because the team shoots better when he is on the bench. JJ shoots 3% better with Marvin than he does with Childress. Smith shoots 6% better with Marvin.

http://82games.com/0708/0708ATLP.HTM

The reason is that Childress isn't a perimeter threat and kills spacing.

I've been trying to point this out for a long time. I've noticed that Smith and Chil can't play well together in the second half because Chil takes up all the open spaces under the net and forces Smith to the perimeter where he ends up throwin bricks.

Go to nba.com hotspots and look at where Chil takes his shots. He is a fantastic finisher inside and has accordingly taken 367 shots from there this season. He has taken 42 non-layup/dunk 2s and 33 3s. That is insane for a wing player... those are low-post center numbers. The difference is that Chil is a master at finding spaces and getting open shots so he isn't creating the spacing that a center creates when he posts up down low... or the spacing that a guy like Smith provides when he drives from the high post.

Now I'm not saying that Chil is the problem in this scenario, if anything I blame our GM and coaching staff for not filling the bench with the right players and utilizing guys to their strengths. If we had a jump shooting PF a la Channing Frye this wouldn't really be a problem. However when we have Smith and Horford who need some time/space to take jumpers it hurts the offensive efficiency.

[conleyorbust]

I thought we established that Marvin is the furthest thing from a perimeter threat.

Marv isn't a 3 point threat which would be really helpful. He is however occasionally good from midrange. The NYK game was a good example of that, when he's hitting those long 2s the opponents have to take him into account at all times which opens up space underneath for Joe/Josh/Al/Chil to post up or slash.