Next years starters

bigballajohn · Post #1 » by **bigballajohn** » Fri Apr 4, 2008 9:53 pm

is there any chance that the hawks will go small ball with bibby, jj, osh smith, marvin and horford? or will u guys try to find a legit center

conleyorbust · Post #2 » by **conleyorbust** » Fri Apr 4, 2008 9:58 pm

bigballajohn wrote:is there any chance that the hawks will go small ball with bibby, jj, osh smith, marvin and horford? or will u guys try to find a legit center

I doubt a 7 footer worth starting is going to make himself available to us. I wouldn't mind running that lineup but having a guy like Kwame or Diop coming off the bench behind Al to give us a bit of a change up.

Also wouldn't mind moving Marv for a pick and some peices and starting more of a pure shooter/defender type at the 3. If we did it that way we could swing Smith to the 3 and Al to the 4 depending on the matchups we got.

As of today we definitely don't have better option than small ball and considering how hard it is to land a legit 2 way 7 footer, I doubt we are going to be in for a big change anytime soon.

The_Floydian · Post #3 » by **The_Floydian** » Fri Apr 4, 2008 10:07 pm

I think the starting lineup will be the same next year, but supposedly we are getting a 7 footer from Europe, David Andersen. I doubt he'll start, and he's not really a post player, but it's another body and he shoots 61% from the three point line in the euroleague, so he can play the perimeter and allow Smith to play down low from the small forward position.

The_Floydian · Post #4 » by **The_Floydian** » Fri Apr 4, 2008 10:07 pm

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/p ... ?pcode=AKT

The_Floydian · Post #5 » by **The_Floydian** » Fri Apr 4, 2008 10:08 pm

conleyorbust wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I doubt a 7 footer worth starting is going to make himself available to us. I wouldn't mind running that lineup but having a guy like Kwame or Diop coming off the bench behind Al to give us a bit of a change up.

Also wouldn't mind moving Marv for a pick and some peices and starting more of a pure shooter/defender type at the 3. If we did it that way we could swing Smith to the 3 and Al to the 4 depending on the matchups we got.

As of today we definitely don't have better option than small ball and considering how hard it is to land a legit 2 way 7 footer, I doubt we are going to be in for a big change anytime soon.

Why would moving Marv for another 3 help us move Smith to the 3? And why would we even want to move Smith to the 3? Or did you mean that we could do that if we got Diop?

Either way, I think the only way moving Smith to the 3 isn't a train wreck is the scenario I posted above.

evildallas · Post #6 » by **evildallas** » Sat Apr 5, 2008 5:37 am

The_Floydian wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Why would moving Marv for another 3 help us move Smith to the 3? And why would we even want to move Smith to the 3? Or did you mean that we could do that if we got Diop?

Either way, I think the only way moving Smith to the 3 isn't a train wreck is the scenario I posted above.

The key in this suggestion is moving Marvin for a late lottery pick and matching salary (because of CAP rules). The pick is the key. We then use the pick on a young 7 footer who probably backs up Al for now (this year is strong for Cs in the draft). The matching salary player(s) give us a replacement 3, but is more likely going to come off the bench. Childress if resigned slides into the starting 3 spot in this scenario.

The_Floydian · Post #7 » by **The_Floydian** » Sat Apr 5, 2008 6:15 am

evildallas wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

The key in this suggestion is moving Marvin for a late lottery pick and matching salary (because of CAP rules). The pick is the key. We then use the pick on a young 7 footer who probably backs up Al for now (this year is strong for Cs in the draft). The matching salary player(s) give us a replacement 3, but is more likely going to come off the bench. Childress if resigned slides into the starting 3 spot in this scenario.

Yeah, I thought about that after I posted. I still think moving Smith to the 3 is about as bad an idea as I can think of.

lunarblues · Post #8 » by **lunarblues** » Sat Apr 5, 2008 11:37 am

i doubt we move marvin for a rookie center (i haven't heard of any of them that look like legit starters. more than likely we will keep the same starting 5 for another season, and bolster the bench right now only 1 guy (childress) is looking like a keeper. that leaves 6 spots to be worked on.

HoopsGuru25 · Post #9 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Sat Apr 5, 2008 3:41 pm

I'm not sure if I would move Marvin for a late lottery pick. This year's big men are pretty weak. Will Thabeet be better than Diop/Pryz? Kevin Love will probably be a defensive liability and he's probably shorter than Horford(less than 1 block a game in college?!). Hibbert ranks lower as a prospect than O'Bryant to me. If he was 4 inches shorter he'd be a 2nd round pick. DeAndre Jordan is the ONLY center I'd trade Marvin for in this draft. He's the least ready to play but his upside is very high(think Andrew Bynum). I think he would be worth a gamble.

evildallas · Post #10 » by **evildallas** » Sat Apr 5, 2008 4:05 pm

I don't project any as a year 1 starter, but bigs take time to develop and I think several of them (with proper coaching) can be NBA starters in year 3. As rookies, I am looking for 20 minutes off the bench providing shot blocking in the middle. Al would still start at C for now and move to PF when they're ready to start (and good enough) and play more minutes. Looking around the league I see that more established young defensive 7 footers (Dalembert, Chandler, Nene) seem to make around 10M per season, that we don't have to spare in our team's budget.

My other motivation in the suggestion is Marvin's looming free agency after next year (restricted). Marvin still has the potential to be a great player, but I just don't see the killer instinct to get there (at least in a Hawks uniform). Maybe I'm wrong and a different coach can get him to the level were BK hoped he would get when he drafted him. If not, I think he showed enough promise this year that his trade value is at its highest right now. If you wouldn't move Marvin right now, what would you offer him as extension? Would he sign it? Do you have overpay to keep him in hopes that he develops to be worth it?

I wish Marvin played so well on both ends of the court that it was a no brainer to extend him, but I think most will agree that it just isn't that cut and dry.

_BBIB_ · Post #11 » by **_BBIB_** » Sat Apr 5, 2008 4:11 pm

Moving Marvin in a weak big man class before a potential breakout season would be absurd.

Marvin Williams was a guy who was going to take 3-4 years to develop.

Next year is his 4th year in the league and 3rd as a starter (yet still the youngest player on the roster.

I'd much rather give him a chance to blossom.

HoopsGuru25 · Post #12 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Sat Apr 5, 2008 4:43 pm

You have to take risks to get good centers in this league or get lucky like Orlando,San Antonio,and Portland did. Sometimes you have to trade for one coming off a down year(Chandler/Nene)or you have to take a risk and draft one who's not ready(Biedrins,Jefferson,Bynum)and develop them.

Skyhawk1 · Post #13 » by **Skyhawk1** » Sat Apr 5, 2008 7:34 pm

Our biggest issue here is at PF. We got a (PF) rookie who's playing a C and has shown all the talent in the world. So, it's clear IF you have to get rid of some of our young guys, J. Smith is the one. He has to go because he can get us a C like Biedrins or maybe Bogut due to his new contract. Now, how can you trade a guy like Marvin for a late lottery pick and expect to find a C ready to contribute? I mean, he's not on the same page as CP or D. Williams, but he's not Shelden either. It's amazing that after 4 years people still think J. Smith can play SF.

HoopsGuru25 · Post #14 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Sat Apr 5, 2008 7:44 pm

Josh Smith doesn't have to go. He's the 2nd best player on the team and the best defender on the team. I like Al but there it's not a given that he can play the 4 better than Josh right now. Assuming so while trading Josh Smith for a less talented center(Biedrins)would be a mistake. I'd probably trade him for Bogut but why would Milwaukee do it.

_BBIB_ · Post #15 » by **_BBIB_** » Sat Apr 5, 2008 10:35 pm

Skyhawk1 wrote:Our biggest issue here is at PF. We got a (PF) rookie who's playing a C and has shown all the talent in the world. So, it's clear IF you have to get rid of some of our young guys, J. Smith is the one. He has to go because he can get us a C like Biedrins or maybe Bogut due to his new contract. Now, how can you trade a guy like Marvin for a late lottery pick and expect to find a C ready to contribute? I mean, he's not on the same page as CP or D. Williams, but he's not Shelden either. It's amazing that after 4 years people still think J. Smith can play SF.

Our biggest issue is BACKUP Post play not our starters

Al Horford is a top 15 C as a rookie despite the room to grow strength wise and skill wise. And despite the fact that we haven't had a PG for half the season.

Josh Smith is a top 29 player in efficiency in the entire league right now.

There is nothing wrong with our starting lineup. It's depth

The_Floydian · Post #16 » by **The_Floydian** » Sat Apr 5, 2008 10:44 pm

Well, we are getting David Andersen in the offseason, so that will give probably 20 minutes a game out of a 7 footer who can play on the perimeter. We still need a defensive center that can give us about 20 minutes a game and allow Al to get some PF minutes. That is the position where he could really blossom.

The_Floydian · Post #17 » by **The_Floydian** » Sat Apr 5, 2008 10:44 pm

Also, getting rid of Smith for someone like Biendris would be an awful decision.

I'm not a huge Smith fanboy like some, but Biendris is definitely not the answer.