the bucks pick?

[evildallas]

Look at Dwight Howard's deal for the exact max details of someone coming of rookie deal this year:
$13,041,250
$14,410,581
$15,779,912
$17,149,243
$18,518,574

5yr/79M

Al Jefferson got the 2nd highest deal so far:
$11,000,000
$12,000,000
$13,000,000
$14,000,000
$15,000,000

5yr/65M


11.5M starting with 10% raises = 5yr/70M That's my prediction.

[Rip2137]

Sounds about right.

And honestly, I think now is the time to lock up Marvin honestly or you are going to end up with a Joe Johnson/Phoenix situation.

Although it might be different because I honestly expect a dip in most of the starters offesive stats with full season of Bibby around.

[tontoz]

Look at Dwight Howard's deal for the exact max details of someone coming of rookie deal this year:
$13,041,250
$14,410,581
$15,779,912
$17,149,243
$18,518,574

5yr/79M

Al Jefferson got the 2nd highest deal so far:
$11,000,000
$12,000,000
$13,000,000
$14,000,000
$15,000,000

5yr/65M


11.5M starting with 10% raises = 5yr/70M That's my prediction.

Howard's deal isn't final yet because the cap for next season hasn't been determined. The cap won't be figured out exactly until July.

Realistically Smith isn't as valuable as Jefferson and shouldn't get as big a deal. $12 million a year is fine but i wouldn't be giving him much more than that.

[saloonyk8]

If Smith get's $11-12M, that's nearly max money since Dwight Howard got $13M. My point was that giving him that much loot, while necessary, really puts us in a situation where he MUST develop into a #2 offensive force...or we're screwed.

[HoopsGuru25]

Sounds about right.

And honestly, I think now is the time to lock up Marvin honestly or you are going to end up with a Joe Johnson/Phoenix situation.

Although it might be different because I honestly expect a dip in most of the starters offesive stats with full season of Bibby around.

It depends. Olawakandi and Radmonovich turned down huge extensions only to get much less when they hit free agency. Boris Diaw also ended up signing for much more than he would be worth today on the open market. There have also been players like Prince and David West who are locked down to very cheap long term contracts.

It depends on how much Marvin would want. I doubt he's willing to sign to a long term extension for about $6 million a year(which is just a little more than he'll make next year)and that's probably what he's worth right now. I might consider signing him into a 3 year deal like Kwame got but the ASG is not going to extend him if they didn't even bother to negotiate with Smith last year.

[conleyorbust]

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It depends. Olawakandi and Radmonovich turned down huge extensions only to get much less when they hit free agency. Boris Diaw also ended up signing for much more than he would be worth today on the open market. There have also been players like Prince and David West who are locked down to very cheap long term contracts.

It depends on how much Marvin would want. I doubt he's willing to sign to a long term extension for about $6 million a year(which is just a little more than he'll make next year)and that's probably what he's worth right now. I might consider signing him into a 3 year deal like Kwame got but the ASG is not going to extend him if they didn't even bother to negotiate with Smith last year.

Right now Marv is as much Bobby Simmons as he is TMac. Personally I'd feel more comfortable about moving him than I would about locking him up to a deal that pays for potential that he may or may not be able to deliver on.

[Rip2137]

That is why I think its silly to just not discuss the extensions and go on a show and prove situation. personally, I think they could have had Smith ALOT cheaper had they gone ahead and discussed it with him last year. We would probably have Josh locked into a 9 mill per year contract right now, definatley not over 10. Instead they went with the show and prove method. Same way the Suns could have Had Joe Johnson for around 8 mil per year but decided not to extend him a contract and made him have to go out and try to outplay Q. Richardson. I remember being at work when it came out they weren't going to extend a offer and everyone that knew I was a suns fan telling me how dumb that was.

The problem is that all of our guys were so young they are all getting better every year. At least see what Marvin and his agent are thinking right now. They might be lower than expected. There is no reason to chance him having a good year and you having to let him walk because they didn't want to take the time to discuss it the year before.

[evildallas]

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Right now Marv is as much Bobby Simmons as he is TMac. Personally I'd feel more comfortable about moving him than I would about locking him up to a deal that pays for potential that he may or may not be able to deliver on.

Good line.

Marvin's qualifying offer for the following season is 7.355M. There is no way that his agent would accept a deal paying him less than that. That's what the Hawks would have to offer to maintain right to match other offers (although as we learned with Anderson Varajeo, they don't have to leave the offer on the table). So at minimum with are talking basically an 8M starting salary with 10% raises is 5yr/49M (more than they offered Josh Smith last year), with no guarantee he'd accept that. From the outside I haven't seen the drive in Marvin to indicate he'd be a good investment at that level. Let alone the level he would probably demand once Josh Smith's deal becomes reality.

[tontoz]

If Smith get's $11-12M, that's nearly max money since Dwight Howard got $13M. My point was that giving him that much loot, while necessary, really puts us in a situation where he MUST develop into a #2 offensive force...or we're screwed.

No

Jefferson got $13 million/yr. Howards deal will be more like $16-17 million/yr.

Plus Smiths real value is things other than just scoring.