ATL / CHI Suggestion

[evildallas]

Minor move:

Chicago trades:
Kirk Hinrich
Drew Gooden
2nd round pick #39

Atlanta trades:
Mike Bibby
Solomon Jones

Logic involved for Chicago:
Getting rid of Hinrich's large contract without taking on a large commitment of their own. Gooden and Jones are to make the math work prior to 7/1. Chicago saves 3M this year and 9M the year after.

Logic for Atlanta:
Take a chance on buying a PG low hoping it returns to previous form. Hinrich and Bibby's numbers for last year were similar while Hinrich should be better on D. Gooden is an expiring deal that could be moved elsewhere, but at minimum adds depth to the front line for 1 year. The #39 might net Bill Walker who is a higher talent who has fallen because of injuries. It's a good investment if available. If not available, there will be other players at that spot that are good low risk investments.

Additional reasoning: I am concerned about the ability to arrive at an equitable extension with Bibby and don't want to lose him for just cap space. I think Hinrich will function better with a more defined role of PG whereas in Chicago his own court role changed depending on who was in the back court with him. I don't think Drew Gooden has a long term future in Chicago and I believe they would be willing to include him to get a deal done. The extra 3M this year allows Chicago more flexibility with respect to resigning or sign and trade maneuvers without hitting the luxury tax.

Our roster pending other moves (assuming Andersen is signed and the Joshes are resigned):
Hinrich/Law
Joe/Bill Walker/Mario
Marvin/Josh Childress/Jeremy Richardson
Josh Smith/Drew Gooden
Al Horford/Zaza Pachulia/David Andersen

We'd be primed to make more moves if they help the team with Marvin, Drew, and Zaza expiring and the possibility of doing a S&T with Childress.

[HoopsGuru25]

I'd do it but the Bulls wouldn't unless they learned nothing from trading Chandler.

[Harry10]

Kirk can't shoot and can't defend and his PG skills are sub par.... he is like a 6'4 Bibby who can't shoot.

Bulls fans will tell you the same thing.... that is kind of why they want to let him go and keep Gordon, even though they are about to draft Rose.

[babythug23]

Kirk can't shoot and can't defend and his PG skills are sub par.... he is like a 6'4 Bibby who can't shoot.

Bulls fans will tell you the same thing.... that is kind of why they want to let him go and keep Gordon, even though they are about to draft Rose.

He is more of a combo guard not a PG. But his D is pretty good. You got to remember he had to guard the SG most of the time. If he was guarding PG he D would be much better. I belive he was on 2nd or 3rd D-team a year ago.

[evildallas]

Kirk can't shoot and can't defend and his PG skills are sub par.... he is like a 6'4 Bibby who can't shoot.

Career numbers are 41.4% from the field compared to 43.9% for Bibby. He is actually a 37.7% 3 pt shooter compared to Bibby's career 37.1%. Other PG like TJ Ford, Raymond Felton, Carlos Arroyo, and Chris Duhon have lower shooting numbers. Calderon and Udrih probably won't be available. There aren't many options out there for acquiring good shooting PGs (because if you get a good PG you keep them). The stats say he shoots as well as Bibby and come on defensively he is better than Bibby. I can't speak to his PG skills, but his assists totals have been comparable to Bibby of late and that's with playing quite a bit at SG. I think he is offensively a lateral move from Bibby and a slight offensive upgrade.

He's under contract for 4yr/37M. To get Bibby under the same terms would mean he signs a 3yr/23M deal which would be probably be fair, but is Bibby going to accept a 50% pay cut without checking the field? If you feel strongly that Acie Law will be ready to start by the end of the year then you try to use Bibby to upgrade elsewhere or just enjoy his final season here. I guess I'm not sold on Acie taking over that soon and I'm looking for alternatives. If you feel 4yr/37M is too much for last year's performance, I can't really argue. Again I was expecting greater returns from a more stable role.

[mattlanta]

You provided logic for Atlanta to do this trade, but is it because there is no logic for Chicago to this trade that you left that part out? Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Hinrich on this team. I think he fits very well in this offense, but I don't see why Chicago would accept it.

[td00]

Its not going to be easy to unload Bibby. As many can tell, we are not overwhelmed by Bibby's presence here.
Perhaps he just needs someone to coach him up to his days when Adelman was in Sacaramento. Avery Johnson could be inserted here.

I too, don't think there is incentive for Chicago to do that trade. I think they value their players much more than others. They didn't make the playoffs last year with their talent when Philly and Atlanta both outplayed them just enough to sneak into the postseason.

I don't think 2 teams competing for the final playoff slots make changes amongst each other. It really didn't benefit Cleveland or Chicago last year.

IMO, Hinrich would be a good fit in Phoenix and take over for Nash. They will need to get a predecessor very soon.

[raleigh]

Give them Zaza instead of Jones.

[CWell]

Its not going to be easy to unload Bibby. As many can tell, we are not overwhelmed by Bibby's presence here.
Perhaps he just needs someone to coach him up to his days when Adelman was in Sacaramento. Avery Johnson could be inserted here.

I too, don't think there is incentive for Chicago to do that trade. I think they value their players much more than others. They didn't make the playoffs last year with their talent when Philly and Atlanta both outplayed them just enough to sneak into the postseason.

I don't think 2 teams competing for the final playoff slots make changes amongst each other. It really didn't benefit Cleveland or Chicago last year.

IMO, Hinrich would be a good fit in Phoenix and take over for Nash. They will need to get a predecessor very soon.

Bibby is a huge expiring contract,he is easy to unload.besides him being an expiring his name alone makes him attractive to teams.and u can't "coach up" a vet like that.He is what he is....a shooter.Hinrich in PHX?that is not a good fit,he's nothing like Nash either.They'd be better off trying to get D.J. Augustin somehow.Hinrich is not a PG,Nash is one of the best ever,NOT a good replacement.

[Cliff Levingston]

This is basically a salary dump for the Bulls. If they're going to do that, they might as well trade with Portland centered around LaFrentz and the 13th pick.

[evildallas]

This is basically a salary dump for the Bulls. If they're going to do that, they might as well trade with Portland centered around LaFrentz and the 13th pick.

That's my sole logic-that it's a salary dump for Chicago. The problem with the Portland deal is that he's BYC until 7/1 and LaFrentz has a trade restriction due to his ETO clause. Not sure whether he can be traded before 7/1 or not if he chooses not to exercise. The team that gets Hinrich is probably the team willing to take another bad salary with him. I don't see us in that light.

[evildallas]

You provided logic for Atlanta to do this trade, but is it because there is no logic for Chicago to this trade that you left that part out? Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Hinrich on this team. I think he fits very well in this offense, but I don't see why Chicago would accept it.

Getting rid of Hinrich's large contract without taking on a large commitment of their own. Gooden and Jones are to make the math work prior to 7/1. Chicago saves 3M this year and 9M the year after.

That was in my initial post. They dump a player who they have signed for 4yr/37M to make way for #1 pick and new face of franchise, Derrick Rose.
But Cliff is right, multiple teams can offer Chicago a similar expiring deal to Bibby's with more sweeteners. We would probably have to offer more to separate from the pack.

[Tommy Udo 6]

Hiring Del Negro makes trading Hinrich less likely

Hinrich is Bulls best defensive guard

[evildallas]

Hiring Del Negro makes trading Hinrich less likely

Hinrich is Bulls best defensive guard

Not sure I agree with your take. Derrick Rose makes Kirk Hinrich not just expendable, but a must clear out. He's making 10M+ this year and although it goes down a bit 4yr/37M for a backup PG is a tad bit excessive. He's undersized for the 2 guard. Larry Hughes in better match for Rose in the back court because of his size and should be easier to move next year when he's a 13M expiring deal. Thabo is a better fit too. Ben Gordon is about the same height as Hinrich (so too short), but is more offensively proficient which is more desirable from the 2 guard. If you want a defensive backup PG you could probably resign Duhon for 3M a season or possibly acquire a backup PG in whatever deal you find for Hinrich.

Del Negro coming on board shouldn't drastically alter the overall rebuilding plan, which should be one to invest wisely in the most talented players not just because a player put up good numbers during the Baby Bulls resurgence. I mean you could cling to certain players to have the best possible rotation next year competing for the last playoff spot in the East or you could make some moves and be position to compete for a title quicker.

[AirGordon]

Whats with people saying Hinrich cant defend? Hes one of the top pgs when it comes to defense. Also that isnt nearly enough for Hinrich/Gooden IMO. Plus I am one of the few Bulls fans who want Beasley over Rose. So if Pax were to go with Beasley Hinrich isnt going anywhere IMO. But with the hiring of VDG it looks like Rose will be the pick.

[rose2tyrus]

I wish there was someway the bulls could get joe johnson...