ATL / CHI on trade board

[tbhawksfan]

Smoove / Bibby / 2010 top 4 prot.

for

Hinrich / Noah / Gordon / Simmons


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Roster:

Noah / Zaza / Morris

Horford / Simmons / Jones

JJ / Marvin / Richardson

Gordon / Mo / Mario

Hinrich / Law / Speedy

If you don't like Gordon at starting and JJ getting too many minutes at the SG, then you bring Gordon off the bench.

We go from Law being our fifth best player to our seventh best player. Our front court is strong with Horford / Noah / Zaza / Simmons and Marvin can get a few at PF.

Smoove would be the best player in the trade by a bit, but we get a team that is balanced and has a possible all-star in JJ, Horford, Marvin, Gordon.....and a very deep team. I got Mo eigth and Zaza ninth.

[tbhawksfan]

The counter with Gooden and Speedy also looks very interesting.

[td00]

Noah and Horford were dynamite in college, just not sure it would transfer to this level. I like Varajeo more than Noah. Gooden would be interesting as well.
And if you are giving up Bibby, you are locking yourself in with Hindrich. Has he lost his confidence from a year ago?

[ATL DirtyBird]

I thinkk it would hurt to lose SMoove but I would hope we could recover from that lost cuz hes got so much potential. But with that deal wouldnt we have to change our whole offense scheme, we couldnt be the run and gun(highlight factory) like we used to and I dont think our stupoid coach Woodson could adapt. IDK I kinda hope we get Smoove outta here and starting building around JJ and Hortford!!!!

[Skyhawk1]

I'd do that trade in a heartbeat. We'd have most of our needs taken care of.

[tbhawksfan]

I really like it. I think Chi is our perfect trade partner. We also have Zaza and his $4M expiring if they need depth at C after losing Noah.

[conleyorbust]

How much do Smith and Gordon have to make for this to work?

Probably makes us worse long and short term but if Smith says he absolutely refuses to play here, I guess I could live with it.

I'm not sure why we are giving up the pick when we are giving up the best player in the deal (by a long shot) and giving them salary relief from Hinrich's contract.

This makes their roster kind of wierd, who plays SG? Thabo? How many 4s do they have after this? Like 6.

I don't see this happening.

The counter proposal, can that work with BYC? Don't think it does but even if it did... yuck.

MOST IMPORTANTLY: why would ASG want Kirk Hinrich for that much if they don't want to pay Smith?

[Rod700]

Based on the young talent we have coming in and solidfying the pg and center positions for the next few years, I would do it.

Also:

The counter with Gooden and Speedy also looks very interesting.

I find those trade pieces attractive as well. One other poster made a sound point that Drew is expiring though, and wouldn't re-sign. Then we would only be getting Hinrich and an expiring (and getting rid of Speedy) for Smoove. I think we could get a little more. Would this work with Smith and Ben Gordon being BYC players though? Wouldn't we need a third team to absorb some cap?

[D21]

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MOST IMPORTANTLY: why would ASG want Kirk Hinrich for that much if they don't want to pay Smith?

And why would they want to give Gordon the money they don't want to give to Smith (Gordon is asking more money than Deng got )

[Rod700]

I would agree that they would not want Gordon's upcoming contract. Hinrich's remaining contract is an average of 9.125 mil a year, and that seems like significantly less than what we would need to re-sign Smoove. We were willing to offer Smoove 8 avg per year, plus Hinrich's contract amount decreases as the years go on, so I could see Hinrich being a viable option. I'd like to see something like Smith/Speedy/Zaza/Lottery protected pick for Noah/Hinrich/Gooden. I know we would need a third team to appease the BYC gods, but that is roughly a package of players I would like to see coming and going. They might want Bibby to help run the offense for a year though, and I wouldn't mind if we could get back other expiring contracts in a three way deal.

[CWell]

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MOST IMPORTANTLY: why would ASG want Kirk Hinrich for that much if they don't want to pay Smith?

And why would they want to give Gordon the money they don't want to give to Smith (Gordon is asking more money than Deng got )

exactly what I was going to say

[conleyorbust]

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MOST IMPORTANTLY: why would ASG want Kirk Hinrich for that much if they don't want to pay Smith?

And why would they want to give Gordon the money they don't want to give to Smith (Gordon is asking more money than Deng got )

Indeed, my thought is that if you are going to make a trade that you assume we have to make because ASG are cheap, it has to fit into those cheapness constraints.

[Tommy Udo 6]

You can pretty much forget this idea.

Smith's new contract makes him untradeable for awhile. Also, there was no way that Bulls would trade both Hinrich and Gordon, and Noah is not available per many different accounts

Bulls are willing to trade Gordon since he is refusing 6 years/ $59 million. Hughes & Nocioni are available also but Bulls are not desperate to trade either

[evildallas]

You can pretty much forget this idea.

Yes, thank goodness we can put away such desperate talk.