Marvin working on the trey

[tontoz]

Marvin can still be a good player, but it will be without the three.

The biggest Marvin homer in the world couldn't have predicted him to be so successful this early. Don't make me bump all the stupid remarks you have made.

you know you had it coming. Saying someone wouldn't be able to shoot 3s because you don't like their practice drill.... come on now.

I think the key issue, which i said earlier, is that when Marvin is spotted up behind the line his feet are set and he is on balance. So often on his midrange shots he catches on the move and drifts in the air when he jumps.

Watching on LP Heinsohn commented about how good Marvin looked from 3 in warmups which i thought was odd for such a rabid Celtics homer.

[JoshB914]

Marvin's three last night was a set play. You see us running that all the time but usually it's Mo who goes to the corner. Credit to Woody for drawing up a great play.

I'm really liking Marv from outside the arc. He's not just making his shots, but he looks extremely comfortable taking them. I didn't expect that considering he has never taken them over his entire NBA career.

[D21]

I hope they will still run some midrange play with Marvin, like last year.
The 3pt range is good, but Marvin has to keep all the other positive things, and has to be aggressive and get lots of FT's.

1st year, he averaged more than 3FT's/game, 2nd year it was more than 4/game, and last year more than 5/game. He has to stay on this basis, but now (only 7 games) he's at less than 2FT's/game.

[tontoz]

I hope they will still run some midrange play with Marvin, like last year.
The 3pt range is good, but Marvin has to keep all the other positive things, and has to be aggressive and get lots of FT's.

1st year, he averaged more than 3FT's/game, 2nd year it was more than 4/game, and last year more than 5/game. He has to stay on this basis, but now (only 7 games) he's at less than 2FT's/game.

He isn't getting many touches in general so far. plus once teams start to respect his 3 pt range it will be easy for him to drive by them when they run out to challenge his shot.

[High 5]

you know you had it coming. Saying someone wouldn't be able to shoot 3s because you don't like their practice drill.... come on now.

I think the key issue, which i said earlier, is that when Marvin is spotted up behind the line his feet are set and he is on balance. So often on his midrange shots he catches on the move and drifts in the air when he jumps.

Watching on LP Heinsohn commented about how good Marvin looked from 3 in warmups which i thought was odd for such a rabid Celtics homer.

I said he wouldn't be a good 3pt shooter because he has never been a good three point shooter. He was scared to even attempt them. Combined with the fact he couldn't complete an easy drill (for a good 3pt shooter) I had a bad feeling about it. Everyone said the same thing about him setting his feet, even I did, but I wasn't going to be convinced until I saw it happen. This was something I was praying to be wrong about.

Did you ever man up to your ridiculous Horford criticisms?

[tontoz]

you know you had it coming. Saying someone wouldn't be able to shoot 3s because you don't like their practice drill.... come on now.

I think the key issue, which i said earlier, is that when Marvin is spotted up behind the line his feet are set and he is on balance. So often on his midrange shots he catches on the move and drifts in the air when he jumps.

Watching on LP Heinsohn commented about how good Marvin looked from 3 in warmups which i thought was odd for such a rabid Celtics homer.

I said he wouldn't be a good 3pt shooter because he has never been a good three point shooter. He was scared to even attempt them. Combined with the fact he couldn't complete an easy drill (for a good 3pt shooter) I had a bad feeling about it. Everyone said the same thing about him setting his feet, even I did, but I wasn't going to be convinced until I saw it happen. This was something I was praying to be wrong about.

Did you ever man up to your ridiculous Horford criticisms?

I haven't changed my opinion at all. I said all along that he isn't going to score effectively until he stops trying to back people down. he isn't big enough to do that. He needs to face them up and use his quickness against bigger players.

It is no coincidence that his career game against the Bulls came primarily by beating the Bulls bigs down the floor. It also isn't a coincidence that the Bulls front line may be the worst in the league.

It isn't like Horford is scoring 18 ppg.

Defensively he is a good team defender but still struggles one on one against bigger players.

I said before his rookie season that my hope is that he can be a 15/10 player. I think he can do it but he has a ways to go. But the comparisons i was seeing then to 20 ppg scorers like Amare, Boozer and Brand were a joke. He isn't that type of player.

[High 5]

You're too much man. I wish I cared enough to go find one thread in particular that had me cracking up. But I'm not that kind of person. Hell I never said he would be more than 15/10 guy myself, but you had additional criticisms that were pure hater.

[tontoz]

:lol:

You're too much man. I wish I cared enough to go find one thread in particular that had me cracking up. But I'm not that kind of person. Hell I never said he would be more than 15/10 guy myself, but you had additional criticisms that were pure hater.

You can't even remember what i said because you never paid attention. I was very clear about what i didn't like about Horford but you would never address what i actually said. In your mind any criticism made me a hater.

Horford has had no success playing with his back to the basket. He never gets doubled in the post.

Before his rookie year everyone was on his sac comparing him to guys like Brand, Boozer and Amare. Nobody ever says anything like that now. Those guys score over 7 ppg on midrange jumpers. Brand and Amare hardly ever try to back guys down. Horford does it all the time and usually winds up throwing up an off balance shot.

Horford isn't exactly a shut down defender. I expect him to get lit up by guys like Boozer and Bosh but when he got abused by Bogut i was pretty disappointed.

[parson]

you think that last play was run for him? I think that was just a standard kickout to the backside guy after the defense collapsed.

Forgive me for acting arrogant, but it's a standard play: JJ takes the baseline, forcing the defense to rotate. They can't rotate from the top, since we'd have 2 options (Horford for the jam or Bibby free from the top of the arch for 3), so they have to rotate from the wing, where we placed Marvelous.

Teams like PHO and CLE live on this play. All the defense can do is try to deny the baseline and, failing that, rotate as quickly as possible and force a hurried 3 from the wing.

So, if you're asking whether Marvin was the ONLY one the play was designed for, I'd say no. But I think everyone knew he was going to end up with the ball (unless the defense completely collapsed and JJ got an open shot from 5 feet).

[parson]

By the way, killjoy, what do you think of Marvelous's stroke from beyond the arch now?

[killbuckner]

I don't think the play was designed to create a 3 point opportunity for Marvin. I think its a designed play with that as an option but I don't think that was the point of the play.

And his shot looks great. It always has looked great. Now its going in. I hope that it keeps up because it would be a major addition to his game and would make the team much better. Obviously there is some luck going 8 for 11 but its clearly a great sign. I thought early in the season he would end up taking more 3 pointers at a low percentage then slowly raise that up as the season went on hopefully. But this has been a great start.

[High 5]

You should change your username to Straw Man. You are by far the absolute worst at trying to argue something.

[tontoz]

You should change your username to Straw Man. You are by far the absolute worst at trying to argue something.

It is pretty funny watching you try to argue about what i said previously even though you can't even remember what i said. Then you call me a staw man which is the perfect pot/kettle scenario.

The fact is that right now Horford isn't much of a player on offense. He averaged 10 pts last year and has had one game over 10 pts this year. I think he can become a good scorer, just like i thought Marvin could become a 3 pt shooter. But right now he isn't that good.

There is no way Horford becomes a 20 ppg scorer like Boozer or Amare and that is who everyone was comparing him to before his rookie year based stictly on size.

[parson]

And his shot looks great. It always has looked great. Now its going in. I hope that it keeps up because it would be a major addition to his game and would make the team much better. Obviously there is some luck going 8 for 11 but its clearly a great sign. I thought early in the season he would end up taking more 3 pointers at a low percentage then slowly raise that up as the season went on hopefully. But this has been a great start.

Not good enough. We argued quite a bit over this issue. You told me I was wrong to expect him to become a good 3pt shooter. I'd love to use the search feature and remind you just how strongly you told me I was wrong but, for some reason, I can't.

[tontoz]

And his shot looks great. It always has looked great. Now its going in. I hope that it keeps up because it would be a major addition to his game and would make the team much better. Obviously there is some luck going 8 for 11 but its clearly a great sign. I thought early in the season he would end up taking more 3 pointers at a low percentage then slowly raise that up as the season went on hopefully. But this has been a great start.

Not good enough. We argued quite a bit over this issue. You told me I was wrong to expect him to become a good 3pt shooter. I'd love to use the search feature and remind you just how strongly you told me I was wrong but, for some reason, I can't.

As far as i know the only way to search old posts is to just page back. Even then it doesn't go back a year. If you go to the bottom of the topic page and click on page 59 it will take you back to maybe january.

The funny thing is that Marvin missed his first two threes this season and has only missed twice since. Seriously W T F.

[killbuckner]

parson- I will still be more than happy to bet that Marvin finishes the season with a 3 point percentage of lower than 35% regardless of how hot he shot to start out the season.