Atlanta @ Indiana Nov 18th Game 10

[parson]

Their starters killed our backups. Then when you count the minutes the starters we did have left were playing out of position....

It points out that, as well as Sund performed in adding to our backcourt firepower, that's how poorly he fared in supplying for the FRONTcourt.

[Retrovision]

Morris shouldnt be in the nba, I dont understand why gm's fall for the big, clumsy, sleepy looking ones Gray, Morris, Hibbert ex.

[Gutz]

Morris shouldnt be in the nba, I dont understand why gm's fall for the big, clumsy, sleepy looking ones Gray, Morris, Hibbert ex.

I agree Morris is just awful! How many AND 1's has this guy given up in the few minutes he has played? He is just flat out lazy out there.

[Jjforprez]

Morris shouldnt be in the nba, I dont understand why gm's fall for the big, clumsy, sleepy looking ones Gray, Morris, Hibbert ex.

I don't know... I saw low-post skill from this guy in that Raptors game awhile back. He went 3-4, and he looked good doing it. Problem is, this team doesn't play ANY inside out game. They don't give our front-court players any real touches in the offense, even Al.

It's hard for a young player like that to look good when he only plays once every 5 games.

[Hawks]

What the heck is wrong with this team? Start to think these players have turn the corner and ready progress. Instead they forget everything that have done well early on revert back to last year team. Sometimes I question why our fanbase can be so pessimistic at times and refuse to get too high on this team. When you see how sorry they have been playing of late and not giving a dam when playing. I am reminded why we are so pessimistic as a fanbase when it come to this team. Whenever it seem too good to be true, 99.9% of time it is.

[BMF Jet Jaguar]

^ well..we were missing our 2nd and 3rd best player.

[Harry10]

Marvin Williams 2nd pick

Rudy Gay 8th pick

Thaddeus Young 12th pick

Al Thornton 14th pick

Danny Granger 17th pick

Marvin has got to do something, and i don't mean just be a decent starter. he has only a few months left, either he is going to remain as a Hawks or let to walk away, just like Billy Knight. their is no reason why Marvin can't do what Danny did today. he can either step up, or walk away.

[JoshB914]

What did you guys expect? We can't beat teams with quick PG's if Josh Smith isn't on the floor. Guys like Ford and Harris can get right around Bibby and we don't have anyone in the lane that can stop them. When Horford went out there was officially no way back.

[lethalweapon3]

Marvin must perform. It's sink or swim time for him.

On every offensive set, Woodson should rotate the ball to him and make him do something with it. With Smoove and now possibly Hofo out, there is absolutely no reason for Marvin not have the ball in his hands every halfcourt possession. And he absolutely must out-rebound his opponents on both ends of the court.

~lw3

[killbuckner]

If Horford and Smith are both out then Marvin should be starting at PF. Maybe with his new 3 point range he can finally become a mismatch on offense if he can get those big guys to come out towards the 3 point line to guard him.

[conleyorbust]

If Horford and Smith are both out then Marvin should be starting at PF. Maybe with his new 3 point range he can finally become a mismatch on offense if he can get those big guys to come out towards the 3 point line to guard him.

Its become painfully obvious that Marv is not a 4 for anything more than 3 or 4 minutes a game. He just doesn't defend or rebound well enough from that spot and the fact that we play that so much has really exacerbated Smith's absence; but you're right, if we are without Smith AND Horford, what else can you do except play him there and hope.

As far as last night's game, the guys played poorly but what do you expect really given the circumstances? Even for the minutes Al was in, it was a layup line because Smith was out, then you lose Horford and you play a frontcourt of Marv, Zaza, and Solo which won't work.

I think we did a poor job putting together a complete frontcourt but even then, its hard to place blame when you have BOTH frontcourt starters go out with injures. No team is built to withstand that.

Its not Marvin's fault he isn't as talented as guys taken behind him. I'd like to see him be more aggressive but there are just certain things that Marvin Williams doesn't have the ability to do and it has nothing to do with mindset or drive and everything to do with talent and athletic ability (for the record though, I'd take Marv over Al Thornton because at least Marv shows up on D). I have no problem letting Marv leave but if we do it should be because he's demanding more $$ than we'll offer, he isn't a cancer or anything - he's a role player that was drafted far too high.

Joe shouldn't have played 43 minutes. Why did Zaza think he was Dirk Nowitzki with all those baseline fadeaways? Flip's 3pt shooting is coming down to earth. Granger is an awsome scorer but he'll never be a star unless he can become a better passer or defender (the highlight blocks are nice but he doesn't really intimidate inside and can get lost on the perimeter - he's still a better player than Marv, but I'm comparing him to guys like Joe or TMac now).

[killbuckner]

If I have both SMith an Horford out then my lineup would have to have Marvin at PF. Its not a great option but I think its the best available option. I'd run a version of the memphis offense from college where Zaza was playing on the backside post to take advantage of his offensive rebounds but not clog the lane. I'd initiate the offense with bibby or Joe (depending on the matchup) and have the other one, Marvin, and Evans as threats to score from 3 and drawing their defenders out of the lane.

Unfortunately I don't think that woodson is at all a "creative" coach and will go outside the box. I think he will just end up going with Zaza and Jones.

[conleyorbust]

If I have both SMith an Horford out then my lineup would have to have Marvin at PF. Its not a great option but I think its the best available option. I'd run a version of the memphis offense from college where Zaza was playing on the backside post to take advantage of his offensive rebounds but not clog the lane. I'd initiate the offense with bibby or Joe (depending on the matchup) and have the other one, Marvin, and Evans as threats to score from 3 and drawing their defenders out of the lane.

Unfortunately I don't think that woodson is at all a "creative" coach and will go outside the box. I think he will just end up going with Zaza and Jones.

Like I said, I don't like it either but you might be right about it being the best option considering the circumstances. I don't hate Solo or Za starting a game or two if we are missing a guy but I really don't like them starting together, it makes that Bulls front line we faced a couple weeks ago look like solid freakin gold.

Frankly, I think we'll see a lot of Marv at the 4 without running anything exotic to take advantage of it.

[killbuckner]

I just know that this is the first time in forever that the Hawks have 4 guys who need to be guarded at the 3 point line. Until the bibby trade last year Joe was the only one. IF they are going to have to play with a lousy frontline then they need to at least take advantage of better spacing however they can.

But I agree- we aren't going to see anything radically different. He is just going to go with a traditional offense and if it doesn't work then oh well.