Atlanta @ Houston Dec 9th Game 19

[tontoz]

^ It gets tiresome reading you argue every point to death, so to make it simple - Josh Smith shouldn't be shooting 3 pointers. No one disputes that. But to think that Woodson wants him taking those terrible shots is (Please Use More Appropriate Word). I really don't think you understand the dynamics of the NBA if you think that Josh's inconsistent play is Mike Woodson's fault. Josh Smith has FAR more power and leverage than Mike Woodson - it's basic economics. He's more valuable to the franchise and makes the franchise more money. Just like every other high paid player in this league.

Jerry Sloan, Greg Popovich, and/or Phil Jackson are not coming here to coach. This team will be run by its players, for better or worse. No coach outside of a select few are going to come here and make Josh Smith a smarter basketball player.

Looks like Woody has made Smith a dumber player, because Smith wasn't taking 3s all the time during his first 9 months in the NBA.

[HoopsGuru25]

Josh learned from 1st class tweener chuckers in Al and Antoine during his rookie year.

[killbuckner]

gerald wallace woudl be a guy who is a poor outside shooter but who consistently gets the ball out on the perimeter. Tweener SF/PF types don't have much of a post game and who aren't great offensive rebounders. If you are a coach looking how to use that asset on offense then I think you want to to give them the ball in space and trust then not to jack up shots they make at a low percentage.

I'm fascinated that you think a player making himself a bigger part of the offense as he gets more comfortable in the NBA is evidence that this is woodson's fault.

[tontoz]

gerald wallace woudl be a guy who is a poor outside shooter but who consistently gets the ball out on the perimeter. Tweener SF/PF types don't have much of a post game and who aren't great offensive rebounders. If you are a coach looking how to use that asset on offense then I think you want to to give them the ball in space and trust then not to jack up shots they make at a low percentage.

I'm fascinated that you think a player making himself a bigger part of the offense as he gets more comfortable in the NBA is evidence that this is woodson's fault.

Gerald Wallace is a 3. The only reason he spends time at the 4 is due to injuries. The reason they traded for Mohammed was so that Okafor could play the 4 and Wallace the 3. he is 2" shorter, 25 pounds lighter and way quicker than Smith. He is also a far better ball handler who can take anyone off the dribble, not just 4s. Given that Smith is undersized at the 4 it is obvious how desperately you are reaching. Also Wallace's 3 pt percentage is much better than Smith's.

i am facinated at the lengths you will go to avoid reality. Smith only took 9 threes during the first 4 months of his second season. he took 101 3s during the last two months of the season. If you don't think Woody had anything to do with that you need to go to the store and buy a clue.

[killbuckner]

wallace for the past 3 seasons at least has spent much more time at PF if you bothered to pay attention. You can give a player in space and hope he doesn't shoot- but I don't think there is much at all a coach can do to force him to not shoot bad shots. No coach would tell Smith to take as many 3 pointers as he does- he is terrible at it. But on offense he is a mismatch in transition and in taking slower players off of the dribble- he isn't an asset on the offensive glass or in the post.

[tontoz]

wallace for the past 3 seasons at least has spent much more time at PF if you bothered to pay attention. You can give a player in space and hope he doesn't shoot- but I don't think there is much at all a coach can do to force him to not shoot bad shots. No coach would tell Smith to take as many 3 pointers as he does- he is terrible at it. But on offense he is a mismatch in transition and in taking slower players off of the dribble- he isn't an asset on the offensive glass or in the post.

So are you going to try to say Raymond Felton is a 2? Given the logic, or lack thereof, you have shown in this thread it wouldn't surprise me.

The size difference between Wallace and Smith is about the same as the size difference between Smith and Duncan. And of course you are still ignoring the elephant in the room. Denial is not a river in Egypt.

When Smith spots up behind the 3 pt line he is doing exactly what the defense wants so claiming he should be doing it by design is just dumb.

[killbuckner]

Uh- felton is playing a ton of SG this season. Did you watch their game against the hawks? Glad you are paying attention...

And the offense should be designed to get Smith the ball in space where he can take advantage of rotating or slower defenders. He is just an idiot to keep putting up shots he isn't going to make. Just like Flip Murray is going to put up a ton of shots he isn't going to make. Put smith in postiion to take advantage of the mismatch. having him play with his back to the basket is ridiculous when he has such little ability posting up or on the offensive glass.

[tontoz]

Uh- felton is playing a ton of SG this season. Did you watch their game against the hawks?

Yes i did. They started a backcourt of Felton and Augustine. Sorry you missed it. Felton started at the 2 for years next to Brevin Knight.

And the offense should be designed to get Smith the ball in space where he can take advantage of rotating or slower defenders.

Those slower defenders aren't going to rotate out when he is at the 3 pt line. They won't get out on him either. If he is so far out that makes it easier for them to defend him.

Look at Zaza last night when he got matched up against Parker on a switch. Did he go out on him? No, He played way off him. That is what all slower players will do against quicker players.

[tontoz]

I though Wallace spent much more time at the 3 over the last 3 seasons. Guess not.

http://www.82games.com/0506/05CHA9C.HTM

http://www.82games.com/0607/06CHA9C.HTM

[tontoz]

Since you don't watch the games you probably haven't heard of this guy.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/primoz_br ... stats.html

care to guess what position he started at for the Cats?

[killbuckner]

tontoz- you might want to check out how much those guys say that Josh SMith plays SF.

http://www.82games.com/0607/06ATL11C.HTM

[tontoz]

tontoz- you might want to check out how much those guys say that Josh SMith plays SF.

http://www.82games.com/0607/06ATL11C.HTM

So what position did Primoz Brezec start at? How about Nazr?

As far as i know those guys are centers. If they are centers and Wallace is the pf then i guess that means Okafor was the starting 3, right?

[JoshB914]

Wallace spends plenty of time at the 4. Check out the 'Cats' 5-man units at 82games.

Nazr/Brezec were starting games but Okafor was typically the center in crunch time.

[tontoz]

Wallace spends plenty of time at the 4. Check out the 'Cats' 5-man units at 82games.

Nazr/Brezec were starting games but Okafor was typically the center in crunch time.

The Cats have had injury problems for years. Sometimes they just had no choice but to play Wallace at the 4.

But when Brezec starts 150 games over 2 years playing 30 minutes per game, i don't think he is playing shooting guard.

Smith is undersized at the 4 but is 20 pounds heavier than Wallace. Nobody is playing Wallace at the 4 unless the other options at that position completely suck. The Hawks started Smith at the 2 for most of his rookie year. That doesn't make him a 2.