Bibby or Marvin?

[johnny878]

hawks cant really afford to lose either of them. if they do, hawks fans better hope they dont go bargain bin shopping for a replacement or its back to the days of being the "lowly hawks"

[JoshB914]

^^^ Losing Marvin isn't going to do that, he's nothing more than a solid role player for us. Now losing Marvin AND Bibby could put us in major trouble again.

If MN are seriously going to offer Marvin that kind of $$$ then we should let him walk.

[johnny878]

i dunno. hawks looked super weak when they had to start Evans saturday

[JoshB914]

They beat the Rockets didn't they? And I would think that they would be replacing Marvin with someone else with the extra $$$ to spend. Just my opinion though.

[conleyorbust]

Prefer to have both of them back but if we can't, Marv is more replacable than Bibby.

Problem, obviously, is one of age.

Bibby may be more of a "shooter" than a pure play-maker but a) he is a ridiculously good shooter who has quick shot that he can take off the bounce or standing still b) Joe Johnson isn't a Ray Allen/Rip Hamilton/Reggie Miller/JRich sort of shooting guard, he's a play-making SG who like to have the ball in his hands and likes to go into the post, a pg who moves extremely well off the ball like Bibby is a perfect fit.

[JoshB914]

^^^ Exactly. We need to get a PG that fits with Joe's playing style as a guy that is best with the ball in his hands. Bibby is perfect for that because he is very good off the ball and can hit the jumper. He and Joe work very well together in the backcourt.

[tbhawksfan]

Keep both, trade the right secondary players and picks, we just need an upgrade ont the bench. I think getting B. Miller would move us closer to the top of the East this year. His post O and passing skills would really get Smoove and Horford to atack the rim. On D he plays well and boards very well.

Could we get him at the deadline without giving up a starter?

Zaza / Evans / Speedy

for

Miller / Greene

We could include a pick, especially if anther team is ready to give more.

[Skyhawk1]

Keep both, trade the right secondary players and picks, we just need an upgrade ont the bench. I think getting B. Miller would move us closer to the top of the East this year. His post O and passing skills would really get Smoove and Horford to atack the rim. On D he plays well and boards very well.

Could we get him at the deadline without giving up a starter?

Zaza / Evans / Speedy

for

Miller / Greene

We could include a pick, especially if anther team is ready to give more.

I've thought about B. Miller as well. I like the guy's game and think it'd complement our team perfectly.

[D21]

After the 2007 draft, I was hoping the next moves would be for PG and C upgrades, and especially for Bibby regarding PG, and a more defensive option for C (Camby if possible, even if there are some problems in his game).
Bibby is now a done deal and a success, but at that time, there was a rumor about DEN wanting to trade Camby for the 11th pick (and filler). This pick turned to be Law, and now Camby is on the LAC roster. Don't know if his value his higher now, and if the LAC would be interested by Law, but Miller's value seems to be lower than Camby at this moment.

Both of them would upgrade our PF/C rotation with 32min for Al, Smith, and Miller (or Camby), but it requires lots of salary to give.
Camby's salary is $10M, while Miller's salary is $11.375M.

Miller could mainly improve the offense with his passing skills and the fact that he has a better shot than Camby, without hurting the defense.
Camby would certainly more improve the defense. But I think LAC would want more than SAC since Camby is playing one of his best seasons. He's also 2 years older than Miller.

Trading for Camby would need at least 8M in salary, and 8.55m for Miller. Zaza would have to be included (4M), then ?
There are Speedy with 5.7M (with his special case), Evans with 2.5M, Murray with 1.5M, Acie with 2M...

And I am not sure Woody would want to trade Evans or Murray, because it can broke some team balance. If Law could take Murray's minutes, he could be included, but as frustrating his game can be, Murray showed he can score in the last minutes and can help win some games, a thing Law did not show.

So the better opportunity would be to include Speedy, and even if his salary is mainly covered by insurance, it will count against the cap in 09' summer. Maybe a pick could convince a team to take on his contract (and his wish to not retiring), or if we can take on a longer contract (e.g. Salmons).

[Rod700]

If though Bibby isn't the ideal playmaker, he does get us into a rythem, and gets us to execute much better than we were before we had him. Look out the drought our team has come out of since he joined the roster. I hate stick with someone in the twilight of their career over Marv, but I would stick with Bibby. The Hawks showed too much of an inability to secure an respectable point guard for so long, and perhaps two much of an ability to secure guys who can play the 3 spot, so Marv woudl be easier to replace. I do think that we can resign them both though.

[CWell]

After the 2007 draft, I was hoping the next moves would be for PG and C upgrades, and especially for Bibby regarding PG, and a more defensive option for C (Camby if possible, even if there are some problems in his game).
Bibby is now a done deal and a success, but at that time, there was a rumor about DEN wanting to trade Camby for the 11th pick (and filler). This pick turned to be Law, and now Camby is on the LAC roster. Don't know if his value his higher now, and if the LAC would be interested by Law, but Miller's value seems to be lower than Camby at this moment.

Both of them would upgrade our PF/C rotation with 32min for Al, Smith, and Miller (or Camby), but it requires lots of salary to give.
Camby's salary is $10M, while Miller's salary is $11.375M.

Miller could mainly improve the offense with his passing skills and the fact that he has a better shot than Camby, without hurting the defense.
Camby would certainly more improve the defense. But I think LAC would want more than SAC since Camby is playing one of his best seasons. He's also 2 years older than Miller.

Trading for Camby would need at least 8M in salary, and 8.55m for Miller. Zaza would have to be included (4M), then ?
There are Speedy with 5.7M (with his special case), Evans with 2.5M, Murray with 1.5M, Acie with 2M...

And I am not sure Woody would want to trade Evans or Murray, because it can broke some team balance. If Law could take Murray's minutes, he could be included, but as frustrating his game can be, Murray showed he can score in the last minutes and can help win some games, a thing Law did not show.

So the better opportunity would be to include Speedy, and even if his salary is mainly covered by insurance, it will count against the cap in 09' summer. Maybe a pick could convince a team to take on his contract (and his wish to not retiring), or if we can take on a longer contract (e.g. Salmons).

lol Law doesn't PLAY in the last minutes.