Chad Ford Chat: Mike Bibby - Monta Ellis

Post #1 » by **HMFFL** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 2:51 pm

I haven't heard Bibby's name on the block at all. My guess is they want to re-sign him for less money this summer and try to keep some momentum going. However, if they could get the chance to add a young player like Ellis, they'd be crazy not to try. But why would the Warriors do that deal? Then again ... since nothing the Warriors do makes sense anymore, maybe it's the perfect idea.

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It appears to me that only us fans realize the impact Mike's had on the team. If we trade Mike now, even for Monta, I only feel it's going to hurt the chemistry of the team, and won't sit well with Joe Johnson. Monta Ellis also has five years left on his contract.

raleigh · Post #2 » by **raleigh** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 2:56 pm

I was just reading that.

I don't hold Ford's opinion in great authority, but even he seems to recognize the folly of trading Bibby.

JoshB914 · Post #3 » by **JoshB914** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:23 pm

That's kind of a weird question posed to Ford. Why on earth would GSW even consider trading Bibby for Monta? Ellis is one of the best young players in the entire league and Bibby is a solid PG with an expiring contract. I don't see how that helps the Warriors at all.

I'd take Monta for Bibby all day long though, he's going to be a star and would have been one this season if not for the injury.

td00 · Post #4 » by **td00** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:41 pm

Ellis is not going to be replace what Bibby does for us, and that is bringing leadership and making big shot after big shot. He fits better here, and will be a much cheaper option over Ellis.

Truthfully, who would you consider replacing Bibby with other than Paul, Andre Miller (and that might be as close to equal as you get), Devin Harris, or Chauncey.

I wouldn't take AI over him, or Stuckey, or Mo Williams. We have the guy that fits here; we just need to figure out how to keep him as productive as he is now.

JoshB914 · Post #5 » by **JoshB914** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:47 pm

Come on, guys. You can't seriously tell me you take Bibby over Monta Ellis. That would give us two STUDS in the backcourt. And two of the league's best young players in Monta and Josh.

Obviously GSW would not do that deal. Monta's value is MUCH higher than Mike's and they aren't going to compete this year anyway.

HoopsGuru25 · Post #6 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:49 pm

I would definitely trade Bibby for Mo Williams or Monta Ellis...they are both younger and signed to long term deals already. I think you can also add D.Rose,Westbrook,and Deron to your list as well. Stuckey and Rondo would probably not be good fits next to Joe but the gap between them and Bibby will be pretty massive in 3-4 years if both keep improving. There are probably some more players I'm forgetting too.

This "rumor" is just him speculating on a random dumb move the Warriors might do because of their incompetance.

tontoz · Post #7 » by **tontoz** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:02 pm

Ellis is BYC anyway. ford is just making stuff up.

I haven't seen any Bibby trades that actually make sense. it would be easier if his salary was lower.

raleigh · Post #8 » by **raleigh** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:08 pm

It wasn't Ford who suggested Ellis. He was merely responding to the idea asked of him in the question.

parson · Post #9 » by **parson** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 7:04 pm

Bibby is poor on defense and has turned us into a perimeter shooting team. He's having his best 3pt. shooting season, however, so I have to give him that. It IS in a contract year, though.

Not only is Ellis better (and younger) but the chemistry would be better: His ability to penetrate would open up shots for everybody. PLUS, Ellis is much (much, much) better at creating his own shot.

OF COURSE, we'd make a trade like that. But GS would have to be insane.

Post #10 » by **HMFFL** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 7:40 pm

JoshB914 wrote:Come on, guys. You can't seriously tell me you take Bibby over Monta Ellis. That would give us two STUDS in the backcourt. And two of the league's best young players in Monta and Josh.

I like Monta Ellis very much and he was high on my own draft board. The problem that I see is that it's not the right time to make this change with the amount of success Mike Bibby's brought to this team. I just don't like the idea of doing this during mid season. We also need to look at the future and see how it's going to change our team. Will Marvin Williams be matched? If we continue with what we have we can probably have Marvin here next season and Mike Bibby for a couple more.

Skyhawk1 · Post #11 » by **Skyhawk1** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 8:20 pm

It's amazing that after years of playing without a true PG, some Hawks fans still can't see what it is to play with one. Bibby with all the flaws he's got is a true starting PG in the NBA. He's made us a much better team. You can talk about his defense and all, but he makes up for it with the way he leads and sets us up. Ellis is a great player but he's not a PG. He's an undersized SG, who plays for a team that will allow him to shoot as many jump shots as he wants. He's got no clue of how to run plays and all that stuff, cause if you watch the Warriors, the only play they got is, if you feel like shooting it, go for it. Now, out of the other PGs mentioned here, I like Stuckey a lot. That guy will develop into a great PG. He's got the size and as long as he improves his outside shot, he'll be one of the top PGs in this league. Mo Williams never impressed me much, playing with LB James can only make you look good. T.J. Ford is a guy I like even with the health risk. He can break down any defense. He may be a guy the Hawks should look in case Bibby is gone.

NDaATL · Post #12 » by **NDaATL** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 11:44 pm

I love Bibby, but come on. I'd personally escort him to Oakland if we could get Monta for him. That isn't even a question.

LL Cool Scott · Post #13 » by **LL Cool Scott** » Thu Feb 5, 2009 12:07 am

Bibby is great. That being said, anyone who wouldn't swap him straight up for a young Monta Ellis is brain dead.

The obvious question is why Golden State would do this. A salary dump? Does Monta want out? I don't see how they would just give a young star away for 30 games of Bibby.

J-Rich- · Post #14 » by **J-Rich-** » Thu Feb 5, 2009 1:54 am

LL Cool Scott wrote:Bibby is great. That being said, anyone who wouldn't swap him straight up for a young Monta Ellis is brain dead.

The obvious question is why Golden State would do this. A salary dump? Does Monta want out? I don't see how they would just give a young star away for 30 games of Bibby.

warriors wouldnt trade ellis only for a salary dump...they'd trade ellis for equal or better talent to ellis and they can because the type of player ellis is but not for salary dump. monta havent said anything about wanting going to another team so this trade is horrible for warriors. and bibby is playing for a contract so i wouldnt be suprised if he doesn't have the same production now for next year+

NWO4Life · Post #15 » by **NWO4Life** » Thu Feb 5, 2009 3:36 am

Bibby MADE us a playoff team. The Hawks wont trade him with the Hawks as high a seed as they are now. /end thread

Why would GS would want Bibby is that expiring contract The have cap issues too. And lets be realistic here, the economy is currently perceived to be in the **** NBA team revenues will lower even with inflation. Any smart team would like to have some salary flexibility next season...Players will be on sale with the exception of the top 3.

Marvin will sigh for a little more than was offered to Chill.

Not just perception: Chad Ford knows less about basketball than most that post regularly in the Hawks forum.

Prove Me Wrong

lunarblues · Post #16 » by **lunarblues** » Thu Feb 5, 2009 4:00 am

exactly what has monta been doing for the past year?

the guy just got back from knee surgery and we want to trade bibby for him? there's no way i would tank the season just to have monta and his now overpriced contract for five years. the last point guard we had with a knee problem was speedy claxton and we all know how that is turning out. let's wait for bibby to even show that he is slowing down before we trade him for a guy we don't even know is healthy enough on bibby's level.

princeofpalace · Post #17 » by **princeofpalace** » Thu Feb 5, 2009 2:32 pm

I don't know why some of you don't think pairing up Johnson/Stuckey would be good, some Pistons fans have been salivating over the prospect of pairing those two up. Stuck gets to the rim at will and would open up a lot of shots, he is a very good defender (you also have to consider that he's been covering SGs because Iverson is undersized), his jumpshot is basically money now and he's 3pt shot is improving as well. I think a hypothetical Stuck/Johnson backcourt would be very good.

As for Monta, he's overrated IMO, I don't think he would be as good a player once you remove him from Nellie Ball and I still see him as a SG and not a point guard.

JoshB914 · Post #18 » by **JoshB914** » Thu Feb 5, 2009 7:03 pm

I'm absolutely shocked by some of the things I'm reading.

To say that trading Bibby isn't worth it because of team chemistry is one thing, but to say that Bibby is a better player than Monta and that he even comes close to his value is absolutely absurd.

Monta dropped 20+ PPG and shot 53% as an undersized guard last season, and he is the same age as Josh Smith. His season has obviously been derailed by the injury this year, but I don't see much reason to believe he won't be back to full strength next season, and probably be even better than what he was in 07-08.

td00 · Post #19 » by **td00** » Thu Feb 5, 2009 9:34 pm

To my evaluation, it isn't about who is the best player for the next 5 years. Its about who helps this team the most right now. ME isn't coming in here and making us better. Has he really proven himself to be a quality PG and coming off that major injury?
Bibby has done nothing but made us better.
We need Bibby's experience and big game experience more than what we could hope for in the future. We have JJ, Al, and Marvin to sign going forward.
I don't see ME's salary fitting in with the current group of players. Bibby isn't going to be getting those numbers for the next 2 years ( I am thinking 2/18-20 ) and then we begin to find his replacement while we remain a serious competitor.
Again, very few PGs I would trade at this stage to replace Bibby. He just fits here and his leadership and decision-making skills are critical.