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Evaluate these bigs 

Post#1 » by Rod700 » Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:01 pm

With our recent win streak and the heart we've shown on both ends of the floor, it has me considering reversing my position on needing a trade and a star to support Joe, and wondering if we should try a more minor adjustment first. Of course, I mean adding a back-up center with defensive toughness to steady the young team when we stumble into inconsistency and our mistakes start to compound. Really I wanted to find a P.J. Brown or Alonzo Mourning-type of player in his golden years, but I couldn't find any player close to that. The list of players I compiled seems to provide height OR bulk in most cases, and many of the players are a level of talent that would likely share minutes with a re-signed Zaza rather than taking them all. A defensive specialist wouldn't be so bad to pair with Zaza's limited but timely inside scoring, and the fouls he draws on the offensive end. Even if you don't agree with this line of action, please give me a brief evaluation of these players that we could acquire in the off season by trade or free agency:

Chris Kaman
Marcus Camby
Ronny Turiaf
Etan Thomas
Jeff Foster
Steven Hunter
Darko Milic
Joel Pryzbilla
Adonal Foyle
Brian Skinner
Antonio McDyess
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Post#2 » by Skyhawk1 » Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:34 pm

On a scale from 0 to 10 and how I think they would fit in here.

Chris Kaman - 7. I love this guy's game. Great rebounder, can score with his back to the basket.
Marcus Camby - 5. His age/health issues are a concern.
Ronny Turiaf - 4. He's more a cheerleader to me.
Etan Thomas - 5. Tough guy, but plenty of heath issues.
Jeff Foster - 7. He's very good at rebounding, defending. You got to pair him with a scoring PF though.
Steven Hunter - 3. Never impressed me at all.
Darko Milic - 5. He's not as bad as advertised.
Joel Pryzbilla - 6. He's good on the defensive end. The Blazers would never let him go though.
Adonal Foyle - Bust.
Brian Skinner - 3. I thought he'd be a reliable back up by now, he's not.
Antonio McDyess - 6.5. He's not the big we need though, but it'd hard to find a better back up at PF.

Except for foyle, I'd take any of them over Zaza in a heartbeat.
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Post#3 » by HoopsGuru25 » Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:40 pm

Rasho would be a good option. I'm not sure what he is going to get in free agency but he is a good post defender and rarely gets hurt.
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Post#4 » by conleyorbust » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:17 pm

Zaza's been excellent this season.

Chris Kaman - unbelievably injury prone, never been consistent year to year, hefty price tag for a backup
Marcus Camby - would be a great backup BUT the Clippers aren't going to give him away and I'm not paying big assets for a soon to be 35 year old (happy bday next week) who relies on his hops
Ronny Turiaf - might be a solid guy to pair with Zaza but signed a 3-year deal last offseason
Etan Thomas - another guy who could be paired w Zaza situationally, it seems like he's done though
Jeff Foster - would be a great fit, how do we get it done
Steven Hunter - could be useful in Solo's spot as he's a similar player with about 20 more lbs... he's also lazier, I'll stick with Solo and hope he can play an entire season like he did for a month and a half earlier this season
Darko Milic - could be useful, I'd pursue him if it didn't cost us
Joel Pryzbilla - love to have him, ain't happening
Adonal Foyle - could be used in the Solo role but he's about done
Brian Skinner - solid man defender, could be a good 3rd big off the bench
Antonio McDyess - backup PF, we could definitely use him if he were available

I like the Rasho idea to give us another really big body for half-court stuff
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Post#5 » by raleigh » Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:30 am

I'm now thinking the Hawks will want to re-sign Zaza, in which case you really only need a 4th big.

What do you guys think of Marcin Gortat?
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Post#6 » by HoopsGuru25 » Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:41 am

Prediction.....Gortat signs with the Spurs for 3 years 9 million and averages around a double double as their starting center by this time next year. I don't know what their cap situation is like but they always seem to make a move like this.
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Post#7 » by evildallas » Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:53 am

Chris Kaman - Overpaid and injury prone. Question conditioning ethic
Marcus Camby - Old, but highly productive. Great rental, not a long term investment.
Ronny Turiaf - High energy, maybe a bit dirty. Making a bit more than he's worth. Not ideal length. Could do worse though.
Etan Thomas - Really unsure about the health.
Jeff Foster - I've always liked him. He is what he is. Pacers have resisted dealing him so far.
Steven Hunter - No interest whatsoever.
Darko Milic - Reminds me of Kwame Brown on his 2nd contract in that I think he 3rd contract will be for less than the MLE.
Joel Pryzbilla - I like a lot because of his active D. Don't see Portland shopping him given Oden's fragile nature.
Adonal Foyle - nothing left out of not that much to start with. Was interested in him as a free agent add on just to finish the season, but that was mainly due to lack of options.
Brian Skinner - Not sure what to think.
Antonio McDyess - Excellent back up PF, but not the length we need to fill out the big man rotation.

Given some of your list, how could you overlook the possible projects like Johan Petro and Aaron Gray.
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Post#8 » by HMFFL » Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:32 am

Orlando's Marcin Gortat will be the Mehmet Okur of this summer's free agent class. Dwight Howard's raw backup isn't going to come cheaply, but the team that collars him will have spent wisely on a guy guaranteed to average an easy double double.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/03172009/sp ... htm?page=2


The media's starting to mention him even more.
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Post#9 » by old rem » Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:43 am

Turiaf outplayed both Kaman + Camby a couple nights ago..and makes half the $ of either...GSW won't let him go. Blocking about 3 shots a game and a damn good passer too.

I would not overhype Gortat but he does look good
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Post#10 » by evildallas » Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:03 pm

Marcin Gortat's a restricted free agent. Under the rules the most he can be offered is the MLE in trying to pry him out of Orlando (the Arenas rule). To match that Orlando will have to go into luxury tax or let Hedo walk. That assumes that Hedo uses his early termination clause which almost seems assured given his production and 7.3M salary next year if he doesn't. The problem with the MLE for a highly sought after player is that almost every team can offer it if they choose. Since a lot of teams need a C, Atlanta might not be able to secure him if they tried. Good bigs are so hard to find that someone will probably give him the full MLE this offseason. His numbers are hard to evaluate because of the low PT, but his per minute rebound numbers are impressive.
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Post#11 » by evildallas » Fri Mar 20, 2009 7:44 pm

HoopsGuru25 wrote:Rasho would be a good option. I'm not sure what he is going to get in free agency but he is a good post defender and rarely gets hurt.


I just examined the Pacers contract situations for another thread. Rasho isn't my first choice, but I don't see him returning to Indy and given his age he seems likely to get no more than the biannual exception. That's a pretty cheap serviceable big to come of the bench.
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Post#12 » by conleyorbust » Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:45 pm

evildallas wrote:
HoopsGuru25 wrote:Rasho would be a good option. I'm not sure what he is going to get in free agency but he is a good post defender and rarely gets hurt.


I just examined the Pacers contract situations for another thread. Rasho isn't my first choice, but I don't see him returning to Indy and given his age he seems likely to get no more than the biannual exception. That's a pretty cheap serviceable big to come of the bench.


I though Rasho was an extremely underrated addition to Toronnah a couple years back.

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