Jose Calderon?

[shagadelic45]

any interest in:


Jose Calderon for your #1?


Jose Calderon, Jason Kapono for Speedy Claxton, #1?

[raleigh]

Not unless Joe Johnson is first signed to an extension. Once that happens, the Hawks will likely be open to a number of trade possibilities.

In the absence of an extension, the Hawks will need a backup plan in case JJ leaves (read: cap space).

[Harry10]

Jose is decent, but overpaid.

i would rather try to trade for TJ Ford or sign Jarret Jack, Raymond Felton, or Ben Gordon

[evildallas]

Well, it can't happen for a variety of cap reasons including BYC, but I'd be okay with the deal. I'm still a big believer in Jose Calderon in spite of Toronto's self-destruction this year. Jose isn't overpaid yet in my opinion, but he probably will be soon in terms of a new collective bargaining agreement and fiscal responsibility by owners.

Technical explanation around the trade: it couldn't just be for the pick straight up because of cap rules, we'd have to include Speedy Claxton expiring contract with pick. Also it would have to occur after 7/1 because of the BYC issues. We could side step those issues by renouncing a lot of players because cap holds deprive us of the ability to take on his salary directly, but I'm not willing to do that in this case.

I've already broached the subject of using Speedy's expiring deal along with Acie Law to acquire Kirk Hinrich. In my mind Calderon is an equivalent option and the pick is comparable to Law. My only real concern is fit with our offensive style. If you look at Jose's numbers they are reminiscent of Steve Nash before he blew up into an MVP contender. It would be sad if they are just an artifact of the system. I don't have great faith in Woodson's flexibility as a coach, which is one of the reasons I consider resigning Bibby.

While I want to be fiscally responsible, I'm not interested in preserving cap room at the detriment of the lineup because if we lose Joe as a free agent we aren't going to be able to replace him with a comparable free agent.

[conleyorbust]

Well, it can't happen for a variety of cap reasons including BYC, but I'd be okay with the deal. I'm still a big believer in Jose Calderon in spite of Toronto's self-destruction this year. Jose isn't overpaid yet in my opinion, but he probably will be soon in terms of a new collective bargaining agreement and fiscal responsibility by owners.

Technical explanation around the trade: it couldn't just be for the pick straight up because of cap rules, we'd have to include Speedy Claxton expiring contract with pick. Also it would have to occur after 7/1 because of the BYC issues. We could side step those issues by renouncing a lot of players because cap holds deprive us of the ability to take on his salary directly, but I'm not willing to do that in this case.

I've already broached the subject of using Speedy's expiring deal along with Acie Law to acquire Kirk Hinrich. In my mind Calderon is an equivalent option and the pick is comparable to Law. My only real concern is fit with our offensive style. If you look at Jose's numbers they are reminiscent of Steve Nash before he blew up into an MVP contender. It would be sad if they are just an artifact of the system. I don't have great faith in Woodson's flexibility as a coach, which is one of the reasons I consider resigning Bibby.

While I want to be fiscally responsible, I'm not interested in preserving cap room at the detriment of the lineup because if we lose Joe as a free agent we aren't going to be able to replace him with a comparable free agent.

This sounds right. Re: his fit in the system. He has a great shot, although he needs more time and space than Bibby. He's also a better ball-handler and passer than Bibby. I think he'd be a comparable fit in our system but he's younger and brings more to the table on nights when his J isn't falling.

[parson]

ESPN's trade machine says we could send Speedy, Acie and Morris to TOR for Calderon and Kris Humphries, and - if we did this - I wouldn't want to include a 1st because of Speedy's salary-relief (TOR would save 80% of his salary).

Judging from some of the responses here, the real question is would we want Calderon.

I, for one, would be ecstatic. I love the idea of Joe spotting up for open 3's, rather than having to go iso and killing ball movement. I love the idea of Marvelous getting the ball move often, from a PG who can anticipate his game. I LOVE the idea of Smoove and, especially, Horford getting the ball in places where they can score down low.

[tbhawksfan]

Hawks should and surely will do everything to keep JJ. I don't see why signing Calderon would interfer with that. The proposed trade doesn't seem to restrict our cap space. Calderon makes about half what Bibby is making this year and his contract is very reasonable for his level of play.

I think the Hawks need to let Bibby go.

Horford, Smoove, Marvin, JJ and Calderon is probably better than what we have now, and cheaper.

Offer Marvin a reasonable contract; 4@36 or so. If that's not enough let him play on his QO and see what the markets dictates in another year. If I have to choose between Marvin and JJ, as of now I take JJ, obviously. If Marvin QO's and blows up, we can choose between Marvin and JJ at the end of next season.

Let Bibby go. Spend his money and make the Hawks into a top contender next season. Who knows; Hawks win big next season, maybe they will do the home team discount and we keep everyone. If not, we still have a great core going forward.

I do the trade, even with the first, but I'd get Humphries instead of Kapono.

Horford/Zaza
Smoove/Hump
Marvin/Mo
JJ/Flip
Calderon/Law

looks real good. Add a serviceable 7 footer and I run with that team next season , then deal with the roster at the end of next season.

[raleigh]

Hawks should and surely will do everything to keep JJ. I don't see why signing Calderon would interfer with that. The proposed trade doesn't seem to restrict our cap space. Calderon makes about half what Bibby is making this year and his contract is very reasonable for his level of play.

I don't understand your point.

What does Bibby's salary this season have to do with keeping JJ?

[evildallas]

ESPN's trade machine says we could send Speedy, Acie and Morris to TOR for Calderon and Kris Humphries, and - if we did this - I wouldn't want to include a 1st because of Speedy's salary-relief (TOR would save 80% of his salary).

Judging from some of the responses here, the real question is would we want Calderon.

I, for one, would be ecstatic. I love the idea of Joe spotting up for open 3's, rather than having to go iso and killing ball movement. I love the idea of Marvelous getting the ball move often, from a PG who can anticipate his game. I LOVE the idea of Smoove and, especially, Horford getting the ball in places where they can score down low.

So I take you believe that the offensive design is a factor of the players on the roster and not the coach meaning that a true PG would immediately renovate the offense. I have my doubts. If you're right then it would just increase my desire to make a deal.

As an aside, if you saw Chicago-Detroit last night you got to see that Kirk Hinrich can still play. He's another candidate for a Speedy's expiring contract deal. I'll be happy if we grab one of these guys instead of letting Speedy expire without helping the team.

[tbhawksfan]

Seems simple. Subtract Bibby's salary and a Speedy and a first for Calderon trade lowers our payroll next season. Either Marvin signs reasonably or QO. At the end of next season we see if we can/want to keep both Marv and JJ.

Bibby coming of the books opens up a lot of salary to add to the team without having to give up anyone else until at least the end of next season.

I am basing my plan on the Hawks having a compareable overall salary next season as this seasons.

Bibby -15M
Speedy -6M

Calderon +8M
Hump +3M

Marvin +3M
Flip +1.5M

If we made these trades our payroll should actually come down for next season, fielding a better team. I don't think these moves would worsen the situation realative to re-signing JJ. It would actually free up some salary to entice JJ with a bit of a raise.

[parson]

So I take you believe that the offensive design is a factor of the players on the roster and not the coach meaning that a true PG would immediately renovate the offense. I have my doubts. If you're right then it would just increase my desire to make a deal.

I don't know, evildallas, but I remember Woodson saying he was just letting Bibby run anyway he wished. If he did that for Calderon, hurray. Actually, I'm sure Woodson runs a system, rather than plays, so the PG would be pretty much free.

To be fair, maybe Woodson has ONE play, namely Joe against the world, which he calls alot.

[raleigh]

Seems simple. Subtract Bibby's salary and a Speedy and a first for Calderon trade lowers our payroll next season. Either Marvin signs reasonably or QO. At the end of next season we see if we can/want to keep both Marv and JJ.

Bibby isn't under contract for next season and Claxton is scheduled to make $5.2M next season. Trading for Calderon will not lower the payroll for next season.

The bigger issue isn't next season, though. It's 2010 and and 2011.

[evildallas]

To be fair, maybe Woodson has ONE play, namely Joe against the world, which he calls alot.

Ain't that the truth.

If it is a case that PG dictates the system rather than Woodson then it would open up to a lot of PG possibilities rather than resigning Bibby or finding a player who fits a similar style as Bibby. I like Jose and would welcome a deal, but I don't believe he's on the block.

[tbhawksfan]

Bibby isn't under contract for next season and Claxton is scheduled to make $5.2M next season. Trading for Calderon will not lower the payroll for next season.

The bigger issue isn't next season, though. It's 2010 and and 2011.[/quote]

Add up the salary of this seasons roster. Subtract Bibby and Speedy. Add Calderon and Hump. Before any other moves or salary goes down; 15+5-7-3 (approx salaries of players in trade). Marv gets his raise, re-sign Flip for 2@5, Zaza 3@12. look for another big, we still have lots to spend.

The only way this doesn't work is if our salary drops. Worry about JJ next season. Our young bigs like Marv and Smoove are locked in to good contracts and very tradable if we need xtra cash for JJ.

[shagadelic45]

calderon would be an upgrade and a nice addition for atl. definitely make you a better team, but at what cost for future signings is the question

[raleigh]

Add up the salary of this seasons roster.

Why?