Caron Butler for Marvin Williams would ATL consider this?

WizarDynasty · Post #1 » by **WizarDynasty** » Fri May 22, 2009 9:15 pm

Marvin Willaims for C. Butler..would ATL fans consider this trade a fair trade?

tontoz · Post #2 » by **tontoz** » Fri May 22, 2009 9:23 pm

WizarDynasty wrote:J. Smith for C. Butler..would ATL fans consider this trade a fair trade?

I would say it is fair. Butler can definitely play. It would also be very economical because the Hawks wouldn't resign Marvin if they had Butler.

Tough call though. I am not sure what i would do.

evildallas · Post #3 » by **evildallas** » Fri May 22, 2009 10:31 pm

Marvin for Butler, in a heart beat. Josh Smith, not so much. Not because it wouldn't be fair value, but be because it would create a gap defensively that I don't think we could fill.

HoopsGuru25 · Post #4 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Fri May 22, 2009 11:32 pm

I'd do it for Marvin but I would have to think harder about trading Smith for him...he is good but he does miss a good number of games in just about every year.

conleyorbust · Post #5 » by **conleyorbust** » Sat May 23, 2009 12:01 am

evildallas wrote:Marvin for Butler, in a heart beat. Josh Smith, not so much. Not because it wouldn't be fair value, but be because it would create a gap defensively that I don't think we could fill.

Agreed, Marvin for Butler is more than fair and leaves us looking like this:

PG
Joe
Butler
Josh
Al

Whereas Josh for Butler leaves this:

PG
Joe
Butler
PF/Al
Al/C

Just another hole to fill in the front court. I suppose we could do a trade revolving around Josh for Caron and Blatche and platoon Blatche with Zaza (if he's resigned) and Al for our frontcourt rotation, but that rotation needs another athletic defender more than our lineup now does.

tontoz · Post #6 » by **tontoz** » Sat May 23, 2009 12:18 am

conleyorbust wrote:
evildallas wrote:Marvin for Butler, in a heart beat. Josh Smith, not so much. Not because it wouldn't be fair value, but be because it would create a gap defensively that I don't think we could fill.

Agreed, Marvin for Butler is more than fair and leaves us looking like this:

PG
Joe
Butler
Josh
Al

Whereas Josh for Butler leaves this:

PG
Joe
Butler
PF/Al
Al/C

Just another hole to fill in the front court. I suppose we could do a trade revolving around Josh for Caron and Blatche and platoon Blatche with Zaza (if he's resigned) and Al for our frontcourt rotation, but that rotation needs another athletic defender more than our lineup now does.

We would also have the cap space to fill the holes. for example we could make a big offer to
Gortat giving us a defensive center we have needed for years. We could also bring over Andersen for more scoring off the bench and another big.

There is no way we could get Butler for Marvin.

johnny878 · Post #7 » by **johnny878** » Sat May 23, 2009 1:18 am

i would do it for marivn in a heartbeat and im huge marvin williams supporter.

for josh smith, heck no.

evildallas · Post #8 » by **evildallas** » Sat May 23, 2009 7:06 am

I think the largest offer that can be made to Gortat is the value of the MLE. As a restricted 2nd rounder that is the rule that went into effect after the Warriors lost Arenas to Washington because they couldn't match the offer under cap rules. The most a team could offer Gortat is the average salary (MLE). Orlando could match it but to do so would surely mean exceeding the luxury tax (which they may have to do just to resign Hedo) which means they would essentially be paying twice the salary to keep Gortat. I suspect someone will offer Gortat the full MLE to see if Orlando blinks. If we did that we'd likely lose Flip unless he is willing to play for the BAE, which is unlikely given his strong season (unless he gets no offers).

raleigh · Post #9 » by **raleigh** » Sat May 23, 2009 12:20 pm

I love Butler's game, so I would do it for Marvin as well. I'd throw in a 2nd rounder, too. (Not that those have a ton of value, but it might help).

killbuckner · Post #10 » by **killbuckner** » Sat May 23, 2009 2:42 pm

I'd think that it would make sense for the hawks to take back either Songalia or Deshawn Stevenson as part of that trade if the numbers could be made to work.

Honestly even if its Marvin and the hawks pick for Butler I do that as well.

saloonyk8 · Post #11 » by **saloonyk8** » Sat May 23, 2009 6:25 pm

Butler is sick...20-6-4, pretty healthy, 29 y/o...he's almost as good as JJ. I'd definitely consider trading Smith for him too. We'd still need a center but JJ-Butler gets us in the playoffs every year. Marvin for him would be the easiest trade in history, I'd be surprised if Washington did that, I think they're looking to add a veteran to put them back in the playoffs (assuming Arenas healthy).

Rod700 · Post #12 » by **Rod700** » Sat May 23, 2009 7:01 pm

Marv for Butler = Hell Yes
Smith for Butler = Not without other players involved that solidify the interior defense (might have to involve a 3rd team)

JoshB914 · Post #13 » by **JoshB914** » Sat May 23, 2009 10:18 pm

WizarDynasty wrote:Marvin Willaims for C. Butler..would ATL fans consider this trade a fair trade?

where do i sign?