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IllinoisReppa20 · Post #41 » by **IllinoisReppa20** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:51 pm

Anyone who has watched the Hawks this year knows that Craw has been far more valuable in the clutch than Joe. Try watching a few games for a change.[/quote]

Ive been watching games but the thing is if it wasnt for the horrbile shooting performance does he need to take 100 foot three point shots wih 4 seconds left after durant missed his only free throw of the game? i think not

JoshB914 · Post #42 » by **JoshB914** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:54 pm

^^^ Not sure how that's relevant. But yes, I would rather have Craw take that shot then Joe to answer your question.

Post #43 » by **HMFFL** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:58 pm

IllinoisReppa20 wrote:Ive been watching games but the thing is if it wasnt for the horrbile shooting performance does he need to take 100 foot three point shots wih 4 seconds left after durant missed his only free throw of the game? i think not

Actually Jamal created space for himself, so he could have an open look, but sadly this time he was unable to make it. If Jamal had been closer to the 3-line the defender would be all in his face.

IllinoisReppa20 · Post #44 » by **IllinoisReppa20** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:58 pm

JoshB914 wrote:^^^ Not sure how that's relevant. But yes, I would rather have Craw take that shot then Joe to answer your question.

You must not read that well i never asked who would you rather take that shot.. but simply asking how the hell all these people blame joe damn near everytime the Hawks lose when Crawford is just as much to blame as anyone else

JoshB914 · Post #45 » by **JoshB914** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:05 pm

^^^ Joe has been to blame for far more losses this year than Craw as he has a more expanded role. This is very basic Hawks 101 here...

I would much rather the ball be in Craw's hands when it comes to a one-on-one opportunity than Joe. JJ has proven time and time again that he is not a big time player in the clutch, nor does he have the ability, attitude, or IQ to make the right play in one-on-one situations (which are extremely common in the fourth quarter in an NBA game).

IllinoisReppa20 · Post #46 » by **IllinoisReppa20** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:09 pm

lol ok ..how about this let Joe walk and you have fun with your 30 year old jamal

BigAlHorfordROY · Post #47 » by **BigAlHorfordROY** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:12 pm

Okay I understand that Craw nailed a similar game winner, and I am also aware our offense isn't the best in running plays. I just hope that every time we are down with under 10 seconds 30 ft heaves with Crafword isn't are go to play

Hawkeyes · Post #48 » by **Hawkeyes** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:12 pm

IllinoisReppa20 wrote:lol ok ..how about this let Joe walk and you have fun with your 30 year old jamal

That response had nothing to do with what he just said. Nice comprehension skills.

IllinoisReppa20 · Post #49 » by **IllinoisReppa20** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:34 pm

well according to most hawks fans supported by the ridiculous threads on "whos better joe or Jamal crawford" or " we should let joe walk and jamal should be our starter" and the joe is horrible in the 4th and cant hold jamals jock strap in the clutch followed by alot of people not wanting to resign joe thinking a d wade wants to play in atl , it seems like joe should just walk and get the upgrade of somebody who shoots 40% in their career for bum ass Joe , what u think about that playa?

ATL DirtyBird · Post #50 » by **ATL DirtyBird** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:47 pm

IllinoisReppa20 wrote:well according to most hawks fans supported by the ridiculous threads on "whos better joe or Jamal crawford" or " we should let joe walk and jamal should be our starter" and the joe is horrible in the 4th and cant hold jamals jock strap in the clutch followed by alot of people not wanting to resign joe thinking a d wade wants to play in atl , it seems like joe should just walk and get the upgrade of somebody who shoots 40% in their career for bum ass Joe , what u think about that playa?

Do you have down syndrome?

JoshB914 · Post #51 » by **JoshB914** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:55 pm

IllinoisReppa20 wrote:well according to most hawks fans supported by the ridiculous threads on "whos better joe or Jamal crawford" or " we should let joe walk and jamal should be our starter" and the joe is horrible in the 4th and cant hold jamals jock strap in the clutch followed by alot of people not wanting to resign joe thinking a d wade wants to play in atl , it seems like joe should just walk and get the upgrade of somebody who shoots 40% in their career for bum ass Joe , what u think about that playa?

Please re-read those threads, sir. The majority of people said that Jamal was a better closer, but very few would ever say that Craw is actually better than JJ.

Master8492 · Post #52 » by **Master8492** » Tue Jan 19, 2010 5:02 am

JoshB914 wrote:^^^ Joe has been to blame for far more losses this year than Craw as he has a more expanded role. This is very basic Hawks 101 here...

I would much rather the ball be in Craw's hands when it comes to a one-on-one opportunity than Joe. JJ has proven time and time again that he is not a big time player in the clutch, nor does he have the ability, attitude, or IQ to make the right play in one-on-one situations (which are extremely common in the fourth quarter in an NBA game).

JJ also has proven he can be a big time player in the clutch as well... as many times as the ones where he didn't show up. Crawford's been playing well but that one shot doesn't make him a better closer then JJ. At least I don't think so...

IllinoisReppa20 · Post #53 » by **IllinoisReppa20** » Tue Jan 19, 2010 5:22 am

SneakerKing33 wrote:
IllinoisReppa20 wrote:well according to most hawks fans supported by the ridiculous threads on "whos better joe or Jamal crawford" or " we should let joe walk and jamal should be our starter" and the joe is horrible in the 4th and cant hold jamals jock strap in the clutch followed by alot of people not wanting to resign joe thinking a d wade wants to play in atl , it seems like joe should just walk and get the upgrade of somebody who shoots 40% in their career for bum ass Joe , what u think about that playa?

Do you have down syndrome?

do u have sand in yo thong ?because i clearly wasnt talking to play nice but thanks fa participating..

and master- thank you im tired of these crusty ass bandwagon fans trying to kiss jamals shoes because he hit a few game winners but have too much nut in they eyes to see he has also shot the hawks out the game jus as much as JJ ..so wheres the hate for him along with Johnson who is a better player than jamal could dream of . oh how we could forget about how JJ dropped a dub in the last Q against Boston in playoffs

JoshB914 · Post #54 » by **JoshB914** » Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:05 am

^^^ Pointing to that Boston fourth quarter at this point simply shows how much Joe has struggled in crucial situations. You'd think there would be a lot more instances of him taking over games in the crunch, especially since we have become a much better team since then. Yet game 4 of the Boston series remains one of the the few examples of him putting us on his back and pushing us to victory when we needed him.

JoshB914 · Post #55 » by **JoshB914** » Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:08 am

Master8492 wrote:
JoshB914 wrote:^^^ Joe has been to blame for far more losses this year than Craw as he has a more expanded role. This is very basic Hawks 101 here...

I would much rather the ball be in Craw's hands when it comes to a one-on-one opportunity than Joe. JJ has proven time and time again that he is not a big time player in the clutch, nor does he have the ability, attitude, or IQ to make the right play in one-on-one situations (which are extremely common in the fourth quarter in an NBA game).

JJ also has proven he can be a big time player in the clutch as well... as many times as the ones where he didn't show up. Crawford's been playing well but that one shot doesn't make him a better closer then JJ. At least I don't think so...

I'm not saying Craw is a better player. But he has simply been better than Joe down the stretch when it comes to making plays-one-on-one.

tontoz · Post #56 » by **tontoz** » Wed Jan 20, 2010 12:50 am

JoshB914 wrote:
Master8492 wrote:
JoshB914 wrote:^^^ Joe has been to blame for far more losses this year than Craw as he has a more expanded role. This is very basic Hawks 101 here...

I would much rather the ball be in Craw's hands when it comes to a one-on-one opportunity than Joe. JJ has proven time and time again that he is not a big time player in the clutch, nor does he have the ability, attitude, or IQ to make the right play in one-on-one situations (which are extremely common in the fourth quarter in an NBA game).

JJ also has proven he can be a big time player in the clutch as well... as many times as the ones where he didn't show up. Crawford's been playing well but that one shot doesn't make him a better closer then JJ. At least I don't think so...

I'm not saying Craw is a better player. But he has simply been better than Joe down the stretch when it comes to making plays-one-on-one.

JJ rarely has a chance to go 1 on 1 late in games and Crawford rarely gets doubled. That is the big difference right there. Teams know that if they don't double JJ he can get inside easily for a 5 footer.

Granted JJ hasn't responded well to the double teaming. he dribbles too much and has been forcing up too many long, contested shots. With Woody as the coach i don't see that changing.

IllinoisReppa20 · Post #57 » by **IllinoisReppa20** » Wed Jan 20, 2010 5:49 am

plus alot of JJ shots he makes in the post that are tough are suppose to be fouls but because he isnt respected by the refs such as KB LBJ KD OR CA he doesnt get them ..........alot of people complain he doesnt get to the line as much as them but in my eyes them and 1's hes puttin in is only counted as 2 points n its a damn shame

azuresou1 · Post #58 » by **azuresou1** » Wed Jan 20, 2010 3:23 pm

IllinoisReppa20 wrote:plus alot of JJ shots he makes in the post that are tough are suppose to be fouls but because he isnt respected by the refs such as KB LBJ KD OR CA he doesnt get them ..........alot of people complain he doesnt get to the line as much as them but in my eyes them and 1's hes puttin in is only counted as 2 points n its a damn shame

They're not And1's in my eyes, and they shouldn't be, when he goes out of his way to avoid contact.

JoshB914 · Post #59 » by **JoshB914** » Wed Jan 20, 2010 5:04 pm

I don't disagree, Tontoz. JJ is a better overall player than Craw and that's why he gets the doubles. But it has to seriously bother people that he has been getting the same treatment by defenses since he arrived here and still has no clue how to handle it.

tontoz · Post #60 » by **tontoz** » Wed Jan 20, 2010 6:01 pm

JoshB914 wrote:I don't disagree, Tontoz. JJ is a better overall player than Craw and that's why he gets the doubles. But it has to seriously bother people that he has been getting the same treatment by defenses since he arrived here and still has no clue how to handle it.

When you are doubled the way to handle it is to pass quickly. However quick ball movement isn't a staple of Woodys (I don't give a s*** about) offense.

JJ and Crawford do the same thing, dribble...dribble... shoot. It is easier for Crawford to get his shot off since he sees less defensive pressure.