Brendan Haywood?

[Harry10]

Wizards Wanted Rudy And Batum From Portland For Haywood
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/64350/20100129/wizards_wanted_rudy_and_batum_from_portland_for_haywood/

Marvin for Haywood?

apparently Dwight made some remarks, giving some respect to Haywood.

i like the versatility and mismatches that Marvin gives, but Haywood could help matching up against the Magic, especially in a playoff series. i'm not saying that the Hawks should move Smoove to SF, instead give Evans the starting spot and keep Haywood on the bench but give him 25min.

[evildallas]

First, let me pose a few questions back:
1) Assuming you made such a deal, what would you do in the offseason when Haywood becomes a free agent? Do you try to resign him? Does he walk looking for a starting job elsewhere (which would mean you gave up Marvin for a rental)?

2) Even though Marvin's contract isn't outrageous, it is long-term and he's not exactly taken a step forward this year. Do you think Marvin has enough value to land Haywood?

3) Haywood notoriously had problems with Etan Thomas in the past. Is he a risky element to add to the locker room down the stretch? Are you risking continuity and chemistry to upgrade backup C?

My take:
Personally I like the idea of adding Haywood because I think it would help us match up better against Cleveland as they are currently constituted. Haywood's length matches up better with Shaq or Z, Al could move to Sideshow Bob (better matchup than Josh on him), Josh would d up Lebron as best he could (better match than Marvin), leaving Joe to handle Parker/Moon/West and Bibby/Jamal for Mo/Boobie. I'm not sure anything helps us match up against Orlando, but it can't hurt. However, I don't like giving up on Marvin (although I've been disappointed in his progress) or risking the continuity that this team has built up. I suspect the answer to #2 is that Marvin wouldn't be enough to get the deal done which would make it moot.

All-in-all not a bad trade suggestion in my opinion, but probably too risky for the Hawks to broach.

[magee]

The only way Washington does this is if they have a contingency plan for Caron Butler and get value in return for him, thus being a willing trade partner with Atlanta. Otherwise, as funny as it sounds, Washington won't want to help a Division rival succeed.

[dannyc84]

not too fond of having Haywood on the team, he has a history of bad attitude. That's one thing the Hawks do a good job of, obtaining guys who have good locker room presences and bringing Haywood in, I'm not too sure of.

[Harry10]

after watching last night's game, i think the Hawks need to make a trade for a guy like Haywood or Daly to atleast stay in the game against the Magic in a series. we already know the Hawks can make the playoffs, the question is now if they can make the Finals.

[D21]

And if they finish 2nd or 3rd, with ORL and CLE at 1st and 4th, we have some chances to beat BOS and goes to the ECF.
But if ORL comes in the second round, it means no ECF, so even more no Finals.
Could be the same with CLE, except the team looked better against them, at least for 3 quarters

We need one more good player at C, but I don't think they will trade for that.
I expect more trying to keep Joe this summer, then depending on the numbers, the use of the MLE (or sign-&-trade with Childress) to sign a guy like Brad Miller or Camby (or O'Neal ?.. or even Haywood).
Now that ATL proved they can win, these kind of veteran FA will look more than in the past (it already started at a different level last summer with Joe Smith).

[evildallas]

And if they finish 2nd or 3rd, with ORL and CLE at 1st and 4th, we have some chances to beat BOS and goes to the ECF.
But if ORL comes in the second round, it means no ECF, so even more no Finals.
Could be the same with CLE, except the team looked better against them, at least for 3 quarters

We need one more good player at C, but I don't think they will trade for that.
I expect more trying to keep Joe this summer, then depending on the numbers, the use of the MLE (or sign-&-trade with Childress) to sign a guy like Brad Miller or Camby (or O'Neal ?.. or even Haywood).
Now that ATL proved they can win, these kind if veteran FA will look more than in the past (it already started at a different level last summer with Joe Smith).

Hopeful that Orlando might meet a team in round 1 that matches up better with them (it's a long shot). Are best chance to get by Orlando is to have someone else do the dirty work?

[D21]

Are best chance to get by Orlando is to have someone else do the dirty work?

I think so, at least at this moment.
Our best chance looks like being with BOS at 2nd and 3rd, with ORL 4th, and let CLE against them in semiCF. Not saying we can then beat CLE (if we pass the first round, then beat BOS), but it would be a better matchup in CF with CLE than ORL.

But I am afraid BOS will do anything to avoid ATL in semiCF, and they would stay in contact with ORL, and slide to the 4th place and play CLE instead of ATL, leaving ORL at 2nd or 3rd.

BOS will try to avoid ATL, and ORL will try to play against ATL...
there is still one possibility, being behind them at the 4th, with CLE in semiCF. I don't see ATL winning, even with more chance than against ORL, especially if you consider star treatment for James.

ATL can beat BOS.
ATL could beat CLE, with another big player.
ATL could beat ORL, but with another good big player.

[evildallas]

^^^ I was actually pulling for Orlando to get upset in the 1st round, but that's a long shot. I noticed that Detroit did a fair job of limiting Dwight Howard with just Ben Wallace. He's not a tall big, but he's strong. Makes me wonder if there is anyone we could add who is strong enough to keep Howard from getting great position down low? I doubt Detroit would ship out Wallace for a stretch run (although he's only playing for vet minimum after a buyout), although if they're out of it would they send him to a contender for a late 1st rounder? He's a huge offensive liability, but he'd be a valuable extra piece against either Orlando or Cleveland. Al, Zaza, Big Ben, and Jason Collins (maybe Joe Smith as well) that be a lot of beef to lean on Dwight and Shaq in a series. Just a thought.

[D21]

That would be better than now, but I am not sure if it would be enough.
It looks like there is something deeper. Against ORL, it's strong and athletic, an just be stronger than now could be not enough. Why can't we beat ORL, why can't we beat SAS (even if there is some moment ATL can play on the same level) ?
I think we need to be able to alternate "strong" and "special" big. By special, I think of a big with very good mid range shot, and if possible with passing skills. Last year, I thought a Brad Miller+Salmons for Marvin+Zaza+Speedy could be an interesting trade (OK, we would have not been able able to trade for Crawford, and not sure if Salmons could provide what Crawford can do, even on a different profile, but being as good as Crawford as real second scoring machine behind Joe).
It's impossible now, but I still think Brad Miller is the big guy we need. He has no problem coming of the bench, a good shot, and passing skills.
Main problem, I don't see how we can get Miller ($12M) this season. But for next season, maybe he can be signed with the MLE.

If we have to trade this season, getting a strong guy like Wallace would be easier. He would not bring the mid range game and passing skills of Miller, but he can definitely help.

[evildallas]

Didn't want to start a thread for this but I wanted to get feedback:

Marvin, Zaza, Mo Evans and 1st round (maybe another one in 2012 as well if necessary)
for
Brendan Haywood and Caron Butler

I know the trade won't happen, but I'm more interested in do you think it would improve the lineup enough? or at all? Is Marvin and the 1st(s) too much to give up for length and another vet?

We'd get more length at backup C although it would probably be a half season rental as available money would go to Joe. Butler is also a short term investment to get production now. Next year he's an expiring deal and if not traded then I'd let him walk at the end.

[Harry10]

^ i don't think Caron helps the team that much more (or at all) as Mo Evans.

Caron has a big contract, and seems to be on the decline, and has never been known to be a good 3pt shooter in his career. Caron also seems to be most effective when he dominates the ball, not sure if Caron would fit in well with Joe and Jamal.

Mo doesn't dominate the ball, is an excellent 3pt shooter, is decent enough on defense, and is cheap. i like Marvin, but i really believe that if Mo was the starter at the beginning of the season, the Hawks would have the same record.

i think it would be smart if the Hawks got another quality big and kept Zaza, to help against Dwight in a series.