Joe Johnson rumors

[NetsForce]

I personally don't get why Johnson would go to New York unless they're breaking the bank for him... Which sadly seems like something New York would do...

[azuresou1]

Overpaying aging second-tier stars is how clubs get into financial hell and then field crappy basketball teams for a decade.

[parson]

Overpaying aging second-tier stars is how clubs get into financial hell and then field crappy basketball teams for a decade.

Allan Houston.

[HoopsGuru25]

I don't like the Allan Houston comparison. He had a major injury.

A better example would be someone like Jalen Rose or Rashard Lewis.

[parson]

Players face injury problems as they get older and heavier. 240lb. guards are heavy.

[HoopsGuru25]

Would you sign Wade(7 months younger than Joe) to the max if he was available?

"Injury problems as they get older" doesn't necessarily mean micro fracture surgery. That effects the young(Penny,Amare,Oden,etc)and the old(Kidd,Webber,Houston).

[azuresou1]

Would you sign Wade(7 months younger than Joe) to the max if he was available?

"Injury problems as they get older" doesn't necessarily mean micro fracture surgery. That effects the young(Penny,Amare,Oden,etc)and the old(Kidd,Webber,Houston).

Wade is an elite player and probably the 4th best SG ever.
Joe Johnson is a very-good player and probably doesn't make Top 25 SGs ever.

[HoopsGuru25]

The elite player debate is irrelevant to the point I was making. I'd say that Wade is much more likely to have injury problems in the future than Joe due to his medical history & playing style. Joe is probably the least injury prone player in the league after Dwight.

I wouldn't sign Joe to the max for the same reasons I wouldn't sign a guy like Jalen Rose when he was in his prime to the max. I'm not that concerned with him having a career threatening knee injury any time soon.

[parson]

There's a trade-off with Wade that needs to be acknowledged, namely that while he's injury-prone, he's also very apt to lead a team to a championship. Do you pay 6 years max money for 3 healthy years of Wade if each year is a major contending year? I do.

[evildallas]

If the comparison is Wade vs. Joe then I feel better investing in Wade at the max. Ignoring any differences in playing ability for the sake of this discussion, injuries are a bigger concern with Wade than Johnson, but not enough to scare me off. Wade's built a bigger name already and should conceivably sell more tickets and garner more National coverage. That part's a business decision. Wade has proven he can rise to the occasion on the biggest stage, while Joe has had only a few post-season gems in first round series. That part's more of a basketball decision.

Of course, we don't have an option to go after Wade though as do to cap reasons he could only be acquired in a sign and trade. Same for any other max level free agent. Our only option in free agency is Joe Johnson. The question isn't whether another player is worthy of the max, but in a vacuum is Joe worth. I think most everyone knows the answer, but are rightfully scared of how good or bad the team would be without him.

[raleigh]

if the Knicks have a chance at him I'd like to see 4-5 year deal at say 14mill. per year. That IMO is a fair price for Johnson.

If that were the expected price, this thread wouldn't exist.

Expect JJ to be offered at least $17M/year.

[evildallas]

^^^ Exactly, he turned down 4 yr at 15 million per already. If the Knicks are hiring they are paying full retail MAX.

[D21]

It's always the same problem with overpaying.
Yes Joe at 14M$ is fair, but it won't be like that.

If contract was based on team performance, it would be different.
You give Max to Joe, and he get it if ATL is champion, less if ECF, less if second round,... and maybe no more tanking in some cases

Last year offer being an extension could be the problem, with less years. Now, Joe will have got one more year at $15M, and can get something like $75M/5yrs. It makes a huge different with last summer extension in terms of guaranteed money.

[parson]

In Crawford, we already have a SG who can create his own shot . While we would need to gain some talent to help offset Joe's loss, it wouldn't necessarily have to be another SG.

Question: can we sign someone with the $$$ we would have ($7-ish million?) AND sign Childress with the MLE? Or would Childress' cap-hold keep us from that?

[evildallas]

In Crawford, we already have a SG who can create his own shot . While we would need to gain some talent to help offset Joe's loss, it wouldn't necessarily have to be another SG.

Question: can we sign someone with the $$$ we would have ($7-ish million?) AND sign Childress with the MLE? Or would Childress' cap-hold keep us from that?

The SG who can create his own shot was to fill the Crawford role off the bench. Childress cap hold prevents us from signing a free agent for more than the MLE. We could renounce Childress and then we'd be able to exceed the MLE all the way up to $7-ish Million. We could resign Childress and still have the MLE or we could sign and trade Childress and still have the MLE if we were above the cap after the trade. Last I heard Childress was fairly vocal about never playing in Atlanta again.

[HMFFL]

ESPN NBA analyst Ric Bucher quoted a league source yesterday when he said that LeBron James might be more interested in coming to the Knicks if they have Hawks' shooting guard Joe Johnson.

"If it's LeBron James they want," Bucher said, "a league source says the Hawks' shooting guard is a very good place to start." Link

[Rapsobsessed7]

if you guys didnt want to resign Joe. What could we offer to get him from you in a S&T of course.

Calderon
Bargnani
Derozan
Belinelli
Weems
2011 1st Rounder

any of those work?