Joe and Woody Gone!!!!

[general]

Woodson does not bring out the Best in this team.He can't control Joe johnson's Awful Shot selections Alot of People are starting to see Joe get exposed He is a shoot first Guy who's IQ Isn't good.He's a great second option worth 13mill-15mill Per year..Woodson Isn't the Reason our record has been what it's been Pure talent and confidence has got us better each year.And Josh needs to get it under control too or I would love to include him in a trade with Bosh.

[dms269]

You are confident with Crawford and a MLE or less player as our SG rotation for next year then?

[albedo]

Raptors fan here.

We'd both be lucky. The way Bosh has been acting sure makes it seem that he's planning to sign with his first choice of team.

As a fan, I'd like to see good return value, but sadly I don't think ATL is his first choice at all.

The top pegged picks are Houston and Miami. In Houston he's back home in Texas, in Miami he's Wade's Robin, and both are in the right cap and personnel situation to make the acquisition.

[HEATindaHouse]

Raptors fan here.

We'd both be lucky. The way Bosh has been acting sure makes it seem that he's planning to sign with his first choice of team.

As a fan, I'd like to see good return value, but sadly I don't think ATL is his first choice at all.

The top pegged picks are Houston and Miami. In Houston he's back home in Texas, in Miami he's Wade's Robin, and both are in the right cap and personnel situation to make the acquisition.

(first thing first the leader for Bosh is Chi.LA. Then Miami IMO
Houston don't have the Cap space , playing at home is overrated
It's just to much pressure dealing with all the friends and Fam.
Bosh is just too emotional for me..I don't know what it is
But IMO he seem to love attention (crybaby)...)

I like Woodson as a Coach but wrong team...
Woodson is all Defense no Offense.. Type of coach

As a Closet ATL. fan Salmon Vs Joe Johnson Who wins ? Joe Johnson all day

Salmon at 10 Mill a year vs Max or any above 14 mill Joe Johnson
Winner: Salmon

[td00]

Something about Woodson being all-defense has me puzzled. I don't see our PG being one of the best defenders in the league. He is being toyed with for the 2nd round now.

I didn't see it in the Buck series and we aren't seeing any defense in this series.

How much of a gap are we between a 2 seed and a 3 seed? Is it really 31 ppg different?

These guys have quit, they are overmatched on the court and on the sidelines.

Sad to see it come this far, but this roster has peeked. And this is a healthy roster.

[HEATindaHouse]

Something about Woodson being all-defense has me puzzled. I don't see our PG being one of the best defenders in the league. He is being toyed with for the 2nd round now.

I didn't see it in the Buck series and we aren't seeing any defense in this series.

How much of a gap are we between a 2 seed and a 3 seed? Is it really 31 ppg different?

These guys have quit, they are overmatched on the court and on the sidelines.

Sad to see it come this far, but this roster has peeked. And this is a healthy roster.

Bring Bibby maybe was a mistake
But hindsight in 20/20

Let's the true be told Orlando is a top 3 team in the league period
not just the Confence...


Atl. has no Halfcourt offence ,which is something you need in the playoff...

know this

So Why are ATL not run and gun ,there yuong and athletic
Esp Bibby..play to your strength not your weakness.

[JoshB914]

^^ You can't say Bibby was a mistake. We knew he was in decline when we signed him. But his addition was the main reason we made the playoffs two years ago. Nowadays he is merely a role player as a guy who spreads the ball around and hits jumpers in the clutch. I would love to have the guy on the floor for a final offensive possession or two in the postseason. Unfortunately we don't seem to be a fan of the close games in the playoffs.

[evildallas]

We needed Bibby to even get to the playoffs and I believe he's taught the other players a lot. He's lost a step, but still has heart. I've enjoyed his time in Atlanta, but we need to transition his role to less minutes. Maybe he'd be willing to be player/coach because he has a much greater understanding of offense than Woodson will ever have.

[Harry10]

^^ You can't say Bibby was a mistake. We knew he was in decline when we signed him. But his addition was the main reason we made the playoffs two years ago. Nowadays he is merely a role player as a guy who spreads the ball around and hits jumpers in the clutch. I would love to have the guy on the floor for a final offensive possession or two in the postseason. Unfortunately we don't seem to be a fan of the close games in the playoffs.

We needed Bibby to even get to the playoffs and I believe he's taught the other players a lot. He's lost a step, but still has heart. I've enjoyed his time in Atlanta, but we need to transition his role to less minutes. Maybe he'd be willing to be player/coach because he has a much greater understanding of offense than Woodson will ever have.

Bibby was a huge mistake. i was saying this from the beginning of last year, that the Hawks should offer 20M to Jarret Jack, because i knew Indy would not match. how much better would the Hawks be if they were not over paying Bibby and had Jack to knock down threes and guard and stay infront of guy like Nelson and Mo Williams.

[HMFFL]

Harry,

When Jarrett Jack makes over 90 3-pointers during one season let me know because all he averaged per game was one. What I like more about him is making 203 FT's compared to Bibby's 68.

[evildallas]

I meant initial acquiring of Bibby was necessary for us to get to the playoffs, not necessarily resigning him although in retrospect he dropped off quicker than was expected.

[D21]

Don't forget that Woodson help him a lot to drop off like that, he gave all to Joe and Crawford, while last year, Murray had less ball than Crawford and more to Bibby. Woodson is 50% responsible of the fact that Bibby has less impact than what we thought. Bibby is still responsible for the other 50%.

And even in the playoffs, Bibby is with Horford far from being the guy that when on court make ATL loosing. He doesn't help to win, that's sure, but more points are lost when is on the bench.
And like it was said, we should already have a PG ready to run the team since Bibby came in, and he should play coming from the bench.

[evildallas]

Actually I thought that Bibby was very important to beating Milwaukee. He was playing like it was the playoffs when other Hawks seemed to think that just showing up would win. Bibby's needed to keep the offense flowing right because without him in the iso party starts quickly. On defense maybe Woodson does go overboard trying to hide Bibby and instead of one predictable defensive weak spot we wind up with multiple failures because of the switching. I had not thought of it that way until reading D21's post.

[Hawkeyes]

Having a drop off next year without Joe wouldn't bother me. If we resign him, what will we do? Make the 2nd round again and be embarrassed? Joe is far from a leader and has proven now that he doesn't show up in the postseason when the Hawks need him the most. You simply can't expect to do much in the grandscheme of things with Joe Johnson as your best player.The guy shows no emotion, plays lazy, and seems to do whatever he wants on the court no matter what. I'm sick of him and I will not shead a tear if he is gone.

[D21]

On defense maybe Woodson does go overboard trying to hide Bibby and instead of one predictable defensive weak spot we wind up with multiple failures because of the switching

PHX swept SAS with Nash as PG, and he's not better than Bibby in defense.
OK, he brings more in offense, but the point is that with a good team defense, you can have a PG who is not very good in individual defense, but it can't work with the permanent switch Woodson is asking.