Carmelo Anthony

[Gary23]

knicks are geting melo what are you guys talking about

[killbuckner]

Melo and JJ cannot play together.

I'll go ahead and disagree with that. I think that Joe Johnson has spend so much time the last couple years dominating the ball because the Hawks didn't have a better option with the ball. BUt if you put a true #1 option on the team I think joe woudl be a great compliment.

[HMFFL]

I just read a few articles about Melo and that Denver is seriously considering trade offers. Our ownership needs to make a move here and go public with it. I think more Hawk fans would feel much better about the organization even if we don't acquire him.

[betta1]

Marvin
J. Crawford x2
Teague
2011 1st rounder

for

Melo


Bibby
JJ
Melo
Smoove
Horf

Easily the best starting 5 in the league, though we'd have no depth whatsover.

...or alternately,

JJ
Marvin
Bibby

for

Melo
Billups


Billups/Teague
Craw/Craw
Melo/Evans
Josh S. /Josh P.
Horf/Zaza/Collins

[evildallas]

I would think that Teague would hold little value for them as they have Lawson. Also Joe can't be dealt until December and I doubt they are willing to wait that long.

I have no idea if they'd accept it, but an offer of Marvin, Jamal, Mo Evans, 2011 1st, 2013 1st, and 2015 1st might do it for Carmelo and JR Smith. Here's the key, you have to be willing to offer very low or no protection on the picks to make the offer more enticing that what they get elsewhere. You are also taking their head case of their hands and saving them $4M in salary this year ($8M in total savings due to tax effect). That still may not be as much relief as a team like Charlotte or New Jersey can offer them. The big carrot is that the 2013 or 2015 pick might be a big bonanza due to no protection. If they prefer you can go even years on the picks to push them out a little further.

The team then has to be dedicated to resigning not just Anthony but Horford as well. If the ASG didn't spend then it would all fall apart, but if they did spend they'd have an interesting starting five for the next 3 years. The team would sell out, sell more jerseys and get more TV coverage. It would be on a par with Miami (not quite as good big 3, but a better fantastic four). What I don't know is whether the revenue stream would justify the expenses because we'd be the team with the 80+ million dollar payroll.

[parson]

evil, I think you're close, but I'd hate to acquire J.R.

But, when you consider this:

Denver has told league executives that it is seeking a package of expiring contracts, future draft picks and young prospects in any deal for its franchise cornerstone.

you have to think we could make an offer. We've got Jamal as a pretty good expiring, we've got picks and we have Marvelous, Teague and Jordan Crawford.

[azuresou1]

Is that what Denver's looking for an extended Melo, or just as is?

[#1 pick]

As Carmelo expands his list of teams that he likes there is still no mention of Atlanta. Is that a reflection of ownership or is Joe Johnson not cool enough to be a superfriend?

I think it has more to do with our ownership.

All the teams that are on his list have both a solid ownership and general manager.

NY or Houston
I know Melo favorite city is Atlanta and Lala's is as well.

[FCNATL85]

JC Marv Mo Evans Smoothe + 2 ATL 1st for Melo and K Mart

ATL signs Hayes- Boones- Flip at the vet min

Teague- Bibby- Flip
JJ-JC2- Flip
Melo-Hayes
Horford- K Mart- Powell
Zaza- Boones- Collins

Gives us 3 all stars. k Mart expiring could be used to bring either a talented PG or a decent C or to be used for Al's extension the following year.

[Harry10]

Marvin
J. Crawford x2
Teague
2011 1st rounder

for

Melo


Bibby
JJ
Melo
Smoove
Horf

Easily the best starting 5 in the league, though we'd have no depth whatsover.

i really thought that their is no way another team could top a Favors + filler trade for Carmelo, but i was working out the trade and saw that financially it is a hard trade unless Harris or Outlaw is added, and i'm not sure what Denver thinks about taking Harris or Outlaw. maybe a third team could get involved and send Denver a quality SF/SG, but the Hawks could offer:

Jamal, Marvin, and picks for Carmelo

it is not as good as a Favors trade, but it is worth a try, and financially it could be better for the Nuggets

[D21]

Don't forget that even if DEN prefered guys from NJN, SAC or MIN, if Anthony doesn't want to play in these teams, he won't agree to an extension, and if he doesn't agree, these teams surely won't send good prospect for a one year rental, but mainly expiring.

So actually, we are ahead of these team since we have better chances to be a contender with Anthony.

Said DEN and Anthony would be interested, the question is "do you think ASG can agree to pay Tax in the future for a team with Joe, Anthony and at least one of Horford and Smith ?
They said they would pay for right players, but even if it's true, who are the rights payers ?

If DEN wants to rebuild, they won't trade Martin unless they got less salaries by the 125% rule and get some relief now.
The best thing would be to get Anthony and Billups, but even if we don't think about next years (said ASG agree to pay Tax with this team), but it's hard to find somehting working.

[evildallas]

evil, I think you're close, but I'd hate to acquire J.R.

But, when you consider this:

Denver has told league executives that it is seeking a package of expiring contracts, future draft picks and young prospects in any deal for its franchise cornerstone.

you have to think we could make an offer. We've got Jamal as a pretty good expiring, we've got picks and we have Marvelous, Teague and Jordan Crawford.

I didn't want him, but I think he'd be necessary to make the deal go down. Absorbing his salary saves them money on the luxury tax this year and gets a bad seed out of their locker room.

[evildallas]

Don't forget that even if DEN prefered guys from NJN, SAC or MIN, if Anthony doesn't want to play in these teams, he won't agree to an extension, and if he doesn't agree, these teams surely won't send good prospect for a one year rental, but mainly expiring.

So actually, we are ahead of these team since we have better chances to be a contender with Anthony.

Said DEN and Anthony would be interested, the question is "do you think ASG can agree to pay Tax in the future for a team with Joe, Anthony and at least one of Horford and Smith ?
They said they would pay for right players, but even if it's true, who are the rights payers ?

If DEN wants to rebuild, they won't trade Martin unless they got less salaries by the 125% rule and get some relief now.
The best thing would be to get Anthony and Billups, but even if we don't think about next years (said ASG agree to pay Tax with this team), but it's hard to find somehting working.

I think unless Anthony hates the destination he signs the extension out of fear that he'd lose too much to get to a desired location under the next CBA. By sending messages that he won't sign he could scare an undesirable city into not making a competitive offer.

The Hawks could make an all-out blitz attempt with the following offer:
Josh Smith
Jamal Crawford (expires)
Mike Bibby
2011 1st and 2013 1st (unprotected) (might take another 1st as well)
for
Carmelo Anthony
Chauncey Billups

going with this starting lineup:
Chauncey Billups
Joe Johnson
Carmelo Anthony
Marvin Williams
Al Horford
and bench:
Jeff Teague
Jordan Crawford
Mo Evans
Josh Powell
Zaza Pachulia

I'm not sure how Chauncey would do against fast PGs, but he's got more in the tank than Bibby. It would hurt to give up Josh, but you got to give to get. I think this version is a shorter contention window than the offer without Billups, but it might be stronger in the short term. And yes I do think Marvin could play the 4 although we'd see a lot of Al and Zaza in the game together as well.

[Harry10]

^ i wouldn't even make an "all-out blitz", i would just make an offer of Jamal, Marvin, and picks and see if NYC could make a better offer .

and the Nuggets would not be desperate to more Billups, he has a team option for this summer.

[D21]

and the Nuggets would not be desperate to more Billups, he has a team option for this summer.

It's not a team option, but the contract is only guaranteed for 3.7M
But if DEN really thinks that they would cut him if they trade Anthony, they could better have to trade him instead of paying him 3.7M for nothing.

[HMFFL]

Nuggets discussions w Chicago involves a package of Luol Deng and Taj Gibson. Jon Rothstein Twitter

Common sense, but Chicago would be legit with Melo, and I obviously hope the two parties end the talks. I also read that Golden State is involved and so are the Clippers.

[evildallas]

What I want to know is why no one in the media seems to think that Atlanta would make a good trading partner with Denver for Carmelo?

We have assets we could give up especially if we are willing to trade unprotected firsts like I think we should consider. If you are are Denver who would you rather have Josh Smith or Luol Deng? I think it is a easy choice for the same money. Heck, given the price difference and potential in their respective games Marvin Williams might compare with Deng as well. Also don't assume that Denver needs a SF back in the deal as they signed Al Harrington in the off-season.

I don't expect the Hawks to start the rumors for fear it would upset those mentioned in the deal, but as long as every basketball site ponders Carmelo's next home I would hope we get some consideration. I love Josh, but ultimately Josh and Al are both best suited for PF. If we traded for Anthony we could spend this year with a lineup of:
Bibby/Teague
Johnson
Anthony
Williams (can play PF if needed)
Horford/Zaza
with a future based around Johnson, Anthony, and Horford at the 2/3/4 we could bring in a C and either promote Teague or bring in a PG to be truly a challenger.

It's an expensive, risky move, but you can't tell me we don't have pieces to offer or that we couldn't use the adjustment to our roster. They made a bold move overpaying Joe Johnson and they need another bold move to get closer to the ring. I would just like the media to talk about us like we matter.

[evildallas]

Working on the assumption that Denver decides to play chicken with Carmelo until near the trade deadline I was struck with another trade thought depending on how the season goes:

In February:
Joe Johnson
and 2011 1st rounder
for
Carmelo Anthony

Why? If Carmelo accepts the max extension we've got a more marketable star in the prime of his career. If he decides to bolt for New York at the end of the season we might still be able to work out a S&T for something and at the least we get a do over on Joe's huge contract at the cost of a 1st rounder. Either way, we would get a likely playoff run with Carmelo rather Joe.

Why for Denver? This move comes the closest to maintaining the status quo for Denver and keeping their window to compete open for the length of Billups deal.

Variant on the idea:
Joe and Marvin
for
Carmelo and JR Smith

Denver gets a signed core and we get to keep our pick.

BTW, I think Carmelo would sign the extension with Atlanta. While maybe not the franchise he had he heart set on their would be good talent around him (even with Joe being dealt) and the city wouldn't be horrible for his wife's career (easier flights to New York or Miami and even its own entertainment industry structure).

[ryan709]

Melo will never wear an Atlanta Hawks uniform. Lets just keep it real...The Hawks should continue to strengthen there core group of players by keeping them together and continue to grow with quality draft picks and quality bench players..If the hawks could get a good bench together and leave the likes of RandMo , Jason Collins, and 10day contract players in the FREE AGENT POOL where they belong, then I think they will be much closer to winning a championship..

[HMFFL]

The Nuggets have reportedly accepted the need to trade Carmelo Anthony, and they are listening to offers from other teams.

We need to be a player here if the ASG want to be taken serious. Denver seems to want size, but NJ turned them down with Lopez, and we have the players to make a deal happen. It's a gamble, but it's one I feel we need to pursue.