Overpaying JJ was the start of disaster

general · Post #1 » by **general** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:47 pm

I think more players should Bash there Home fans Like JJ did and maybe them two will get $120 million contract SMH..Now If we even wanted to Extend Horford and Crawford It's gonna be tough because they over payed joe who is really a second option type of player $40-$50million more .Not to mention The Genious GM who signed Marvin (D-league) Williams to a $38million contract. Some Huge Trades need to happen ASAP.The chemistry looks worst and having unhappy Horford and Crawford who both want extensions doesnt help.If hawks could trade Joe johnson for Carmelo,Danny granger,Rudy gay or even caron butler that would save atlanta for the long haul.

ATL DirtyBird · Post #2 » by **ATL DirtyBird** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:39 pm

There is no point in starting a thread like this. Nothign of that sort will happen. This is the team. Get used to it. Plus, getting Melo, Gay, or Granger doesnt make us contenders. We are still small. We still cant play defense and our offense is still trash.

D21 · Post #3 » by **D21** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:45 pm

There is not so much difference, but the real amount is 123.7M for Joe, and up to 43M for Marvin, as he already got his bonus this past season, and could get it each following year.

Now, Horford will deserve around 12M/yr, and even if Joe was signed for 90M (15M/yr), I don't think we would have been able to keep Crawford, unless owners start to pay some Tax.
Don't get me wrong, I don't say it would not changed because if you can't keep Crawford, you could sign a player for the MLE with the difference between 90M and 124M.
This is what Joe has eat : a MLE player

And if they want to spend Tax, it would be stupid to do it to keep the same team, and the one who has to be traded is Crawford.
After Crawford, Joe is the one who can help improve the team if traded, but who wants him at this contract ?..

td00 · Post #4 » by **td00** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:42 pm

Lots of us thought Joe resigning was a huge mistake, given the way this ownership group operates.

Moving forward, there really doesn't look like a lot of value on this team does it?

Yes, its only the preseason, but what you practice is usually what you end up being.

No NBA team should look that bad against another NBA team.

Its the players, and I am eager to see if LD has the guts to sit someone from the core......and Bibby really doesn't count at this time. He has looked dreadful.

AtlBo · Post #5 » by **AtlBo** » Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:05 am

No...signing Joe Johnson for the right price was the beginning of a really long term great run of success for the Hawks.

The salary cap will climb, but the Hawks have managed to keep together what is one of the most solid cores in the NBA with JJ, Josh, and Marvin.

Please, before you comment on including Marvin, think about how many tickets Josh and Marvin sell in Atlanta. Marvin is not the flashiest of players, but he is good and continuing to get better...

Look for the Hawks to solidify the bench, maybe even this year, and begin a real assault on championships within 2 years now that JJ is signed long term...

_BBIB_ · Post #6 » by **_BBIB_** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:21 am

Hawks had no choice but to secure Joe Johnson. They had no idea the Heat were playing that collusion. Losing Joe Johnson and taking a step back after all this progress would be a disaster.

Why are people so up in arms about money? It's not yours. This is just wealth envy

Joe Johnson helps this team maximize it's talent and with KING Larry Drew ♔ and his never before seen motion offense, the Hawks are as legit a contender as any team in the East

HoopsGuru25 · Post #7 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:29 am

Why are people so up in arms about money? It's not yours. This is just wealth envy

Because the Hawks sold a valuable draft pick,went the cheapest route available when hiring a head coach(3rd time in a row under the ASG),and are one of the few NBA franchises who still haven't went over the luxury tax yet. The Hawks can't afford to be as frivolous with their money as Dallas or New York because they operate like a small market team.

HoopsGuru25 · Post #8 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:36 am

I also have to laugh when people say things such as "all this progress". It's not like this is baseball where just about everyone has the same odds once the playoffs start. How much progress have you made in the NBA if you can't win a 2nd round game in 8 tries? They are miles away from a championship right now.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #9 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 6:50 pm

AtlBo wrote:
Please, before you comment on including Marvin, think about how many tickets Josh and Marvin sell in Atlanta. Marvin is not the flashiest of players, but he is good and continuing to get better...

+1, I don't know exactly how many tickets the presence of Marvin Williams sells, but I'm guessing its in the hundreds of thousands

ok just to show I'm not blowing smoke, I worked out a chart to show the impact Marvin has on ticket sales; I took a statistics class in some sort of school before, and the numbers are clear. The red line shows the projection of impact that Marvin's presence has on ticket sales; as you can clearly see its a rapid and steady climb past half a million ticket sales by year 5 of his contract. Next time some idiot tells you thats a bad contract, show them this study.

evildallas · Post #10 » by **evildallas** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:13 pm

While I don't agree with the move given all factors, I've decided to take Lebron James advice and just get over it. Joe Johnson is a Hawk. I'm a Hawks fan. I will cheer hard and hope for the best. Hopefully Joe will play hard. We'll see where we wind up in the future.